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  1. mobilemech13

    mobilemech13 ArboristSite Operative

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    Hondas are 4 st
    hondas are 4 strokes. They have a crankcase full of oil. Yes gas dilutes oil, but mix oil is a petroleum slouable oil to lubicate the bearings and piston. Sea foam is a detergent cleaner that removes oil and carbon, no lubrication, the results are very similar to using ethinol pump gas that has set long enough to separate and draw moisture from the air, it won't remix when shaken and your burning mostly alcohol, the result is a scored piston , cylinder and bearings.
     
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    If sea foam was good for 2 strokes, all of the engineered ethinol free fuels would have it in them, none of them use it in the mix. Same thing as if it's on the internet it must be true
     
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    hi I believe the blue fuel line is polyurethane , I found this to work great. The packaging states it is suitable for very low temps.
     
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    By engineered ethanol free fuels, are you referring to things like Motomix? Because they have different stated purposes; Motomix is a high octane, ethanol free fuel w/ oil in it that is shelf stable for 2 years. Seafoam is a cleaning agent.
     
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    Yes a cleaning agent, a drying agent, repulsive to oils, 2 stroke oil is the lubrication, seafoam is the remover of oils, not good when 2 stroke lubrication is relied solely on the oil mixed fuel.
     
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    If you're using seafoam to counter ethinol pump gas, how do you know how much seafoam to use to counter the ethinol in pump gas? They don't have to state how much ethinol is in it until it is more than 12%. Rather than buying seafoam, pump gas, and mix oil and making a who he's brew and taking s chance on burning a P/c and bearings in a piece of 2 stroke equip, buy ethinol free fuel and good mix oil and run what the factory tests and demos them with
     
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    Don’t forget to shake your gas can with two stroke mix in it everytime before we pour. The oil does seperate from the gas when the can is sitting.

    In my equipment I use seafoam during there winters sleep. Sometimes seafoam can foul a spark plug. But they all start right up like they never slept.
     
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    Let's have some documentation on this "way out in left field" statement.
     
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    Yep I always give the can a quick slosh beforehand
     
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    Great recommendation to buy ethanol (not ethinol) free fuel. Am wondering where in CA you buy it. Pure-gas.org lists 27 stations for the entire state, none close enough to be practical.
     
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    I'm in Redding, and I buy it from a bulk oil/fuel distributor, Nothern Lights Energy, which is owned by Cross Petrolium. I wouldn't buy it from a station because the bulk delivery trucks bring fuel could have hauled ethanol fuel in the load prior to E free load and its contaminated. They don't have to post E content until it's 6%
     
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    I agree with using ethanol free fuel where practical - also, I don't know about using seafoam to counter the effects of ethanol in regular pump gas; it's a preservative that keeps the gas from going rotten if you're going to have a gallon or more of it sitting longer than 30 days. I think that a lot of people use seafoam regularly in their 2 stroke equipment and I'd bet donuts to dollars that the cause of engine failure in engines using seafoam was other issues present at the time such as air leaks, bad gas (again, ethanolized pump gas sitting in a carb for long periods of time is bad, bad regardless of what treatments you use), clogged filters, etc etc. I'd think that before I suspected the additives.

    I'd be interested to see some laboratory testing of whether Seafoam somehow inhibits the lubrication ability of mixed 2 stroke oil.
     
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    Better question for you is, how a mixture of 25% Naphtha, 60% Kerosene and 15% Isopropyl alcohol, will not break down oil or dry out parts. Believe mobilemech13 is just trying to say why he is not going to put that combination in his saws fuel. Go out of my way to find non-ethyl alcohol fuel, then dump isopropyl (rubbing alcohol) into fuel. I will also pass.
     
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    The exact amount of anything in it is a trade secret, there's no way you know for sure it's 15%; plus that translates out to what, a couple drops if you put a whole ounce in a gallon? It's definitely your prerogative to use what you want in your saw, but I'd like to see the science on the effects the stuff can have on diaphragms, fuel lines, etc before tossing the whole argument out.
     
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    As I said before run whatever makes you and your saw happy. In your analogy mixing 1 ounce seafoam, 2.6 ounces (50:1) oil in one gallon of gas, now you are running 1 drop seafoam to 2.6 drops of oil, how could that not be a dilution of that oil? Running 3.6 ounces of additive to your fuel and 27% is thinning it. In no way is this an argument, it's more like an oil ratio debate. Some people like to dilute their oil, some do not.
     
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    I kind of look at it like and adding one ounce of seafoam to somewhere between 120 and 135 oz of gas. I don't see that making a difference. And for what it's worth, it does clean things in a problematic carburetor. It may not prevent things for happening, but it does clean them up
     
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    Seafoam does not claim to counteract ethanol; it is a cleaning agent marketed to clean varnish and gunk on internal engine parts. It should not be presumed to be a remedy for ethanol fuel. The only product I know of that claims to "cure and prevent ethanol fuel problems" is Startron. It is claimed that enzymes in the formula stabilize fuel by reducing free radicals that lead to fuel oxidation as well as breaking up stale gas macromolecules and clusters which don't burn as well as the components in fresh gas. Also claimed is prevention of phase separation by breaking the water/ethanol layer into small dispersed microdroplets which vaporize with the fuel, adding back the octane from the separated ethanol. All this by enzyme action. I have no way of knowing if these claims are all they are stated to be, but based on recommendations on forums by users, I have started using it as my gas stabilizer. I buy non-E premium, but I know that the definition of non-E gasoline is mysteriously unclear, and that my non-E fuel can have some percentage of ethanol in it. I also add Seafoam, but at about half the recommended dose.
     
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    Trade secret is a myth. In 1974-75 if you had given me a sample of Seafoam for analysis while completing qualitative and quantitative labs in college. Any of us in the class could have run simple flame tests, flash points and then ran it through the mass spectrometer and given that formula back in weights or percentages of each element contained in it. That was like using dinosaur tools compared to current testing methods, I am sure. Sports drink formulas may have been handled in this way and sent to manufacturing lab, where name of college ade was produced. Someone may have also figured out car wax formulas and produced small batches for use.
     
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    I suppose you could figure that out, I stand corrected. But I looked up the SDS on it and they just give a range of percentages for the above reason.
     
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