Piston Honda
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You're not wrong. Early 056 magnums were 54mm with dual port muffler. Magnum II was 56mm.
Stihl 056 Magnum Build!!!
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I happened to forget a problem I encountered on my mag while I was putting a v-stack on it. The fuel cap‘s screw in vent had come out of it’s hole by 3/8 of an inch. I shrugged it off and pushed it back in place, but as soon as both carb nuts were loose it began to dump fuel all over the place from an unknown place, but it stopped before I saw where it was coming from. Any idea why the cap that won’t vent?
Kanscruzer
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All magnum 056 were 56MM
Kanscruzer
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Magnum or Magnum 2 = 56mm bore with 10mm bar studs that stepped down to 8mm. All that I have ever saw had SEM ignition
If anyone has any photos, owners manuals, workshop manuals, IPLs etc or any genuine Stihl literature regarding the Stihl 056 Magnum I with a 54mm bore, please post it.
Kanscruzer
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There are tons of 056 covers that have been swapped around. Several Magnum cylinders that have slotted cylinder bolt holes, to fit non Magnum cases
I'll Check my Stihl shop. They have piles of old manuals. That's where I found the Stihl 020 repair manual that was so elusive.
Would sure hate to confuse anyone here with any facts. LOL
Here's an interesting explanation that I've heard before. Turned up with a minimal search. It's always been my understanding that the Mag II was its own animal from its introduction and the Mag was simply enhanced marketing for the Super as explained below. If they did it in Canada, it's pretty safe to assume they did it in the States, too. Perhaps @trappermike is still around and will chime in...
Here is the official Stihl Technical Note Release for the introduction of the Magnum II as included in my version of the official 056 Tech Note Revision History. There were obviously other subsequent Mag II changes along the way, but this is the introduction of the basic initial engineering/design changes -- most notably with no reference to a "Magnum" anywhere regarding previous models. Also of note in the Revision History is earlier reference to the modified air filter assembly mentioned above for the 056 Super -- minus the timing advance and name plate changes. Seems pretty clear that the 056 Magnum was never an actual 1115 series production model, but simply a feature upgrade version of the Super at the dealer level until the official introduction of the Mag II. That would obviously make it the last revision of the 54mm saw with the Mag II being the only true 56mm version. The proof of a Mag II will always be in the crankcase and top end regardless of what someone tells you, what the top cover says, or whatever other 'indicators' may be present. The 1115 series has gone through more changes throughout its production than most models -- with a remarkable backward compatibility of interchangeable parts depending on any number of previous upgrades and modifications to any given saw. That obviously adds considerable confusion to the issue. But just because a saw has a certain muffler doesn't mean much more than it has that particular muffler. Serial numbers can tell you a lot about your particular variant, but everything I know and understand says a Mag II is not a Magnum -- or vice-versa. Until proven otherwise (which is entirely possible given enough actual facts), I stand by my current understanding and simply offer it for general consumption and discussion on a take it or leave it basis. But if you're too lazy to do your own research and provide actual facts to support your position, don't argue about it! LOL
Either plugged or the tank is venting elsewhere instead. There were a couple different styles of cap vents during this era of saws. Most can still be serviced with readily available OEM parts. Some can't. Lots of used fuel caps are still out there since everything from 041's to 076's used the same style cap. Most are pricey, tho. I'd also wonder about the vent in any of em. There's a decent aftermarket replacement cap available now from customchainsawparts for around $15. He sells a ton of em. Must work.
Thanks for that info Poge, now that you posted it I seem to recall reading it somewhere before. On a side note, has anyone tried giving their 1115 saw a sip of nitro? If so, do you have a video?
I'm not sure why you quoted my post in your reply to this thread?
It certainly wasn't intended as a jab at you if that's how it appeared. Quite the contrary, and apologies if that's how it was taken.
I think we all would like to see any legitimate documentation specifically addressing the 'Magnum I' (regardless of piston size) instead of the unicorn stories and 'authoritative statements' we've grown to expect whenever the subject comes up..., which I sort of viewed as your challenge to anyone who could answer the bell. I just did so in a fairly lengthy and roundabout way based on the official information I do have that mentions exactly nothing about the 'Magnum/Magnum i" -- and which seemed like the basic premise/challenge of your post and the point of mine. I could be way off base there of course, so forgive me if I am.
Perhaps I should have just responded like this instead.
I think we all would like to see any legitimate documentation specifically addressing the 'Magnum I' (regardless of piston size) instead of the unicorn stories and 'authoritative statements' we've grown to expect whenever the subject comes up..., which I sort of viewed as your challenge to anyone who could answer the bell. I just did so in a fairly lengthy and roundabout way based on the official information I do have that mentions exactly nothing about the 'Magnum/Magnum i" -- and which seemed like the basic premise/challenge of your post and the point of mine. I could be way off base there of course, so forgive me if I am.
Perhaps I should have just responded like this instead.
There isn't any.
One of my "Observations" Later models of the Supers had SEM ignition and the Bar studs were bigger at the case end. Also I have maybe 20 - 045 through 056 MAGII saws and all the Mag II SERIAL NUMBERS start with 114 xxx xxx or higher, and ARE 56MM My (Later) SUPERs with the sem and larger bar studs are 113 xxx xxx and 54MM
I like your way of saying, My observation so take it or leave it.. So "DITTO"
Anyone with one of those Super 054MM conversions to Magnum 056 P/C mentioned above would be intriguing to see.
Piston Honda
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How do I get in contact with you to buy one of those NOS 056 wrist pin bearings.
Yotaismygame
Juiced Saws #GetJuiced
Without proper documentation its hard to say about the early 056 magnums. The one in this thread appeared all original. Had the sem magnum specific ignition, quickstop, magnum muffler, and 56mm top end. The only thing it didn't have compared to the magnum II was the rear exhaust deflector, and the hump over the kill switch. I wonder if its a matter of the earliest 056 magnums were still 54mm and the later received the bigger top end. Wouldn't be the first time a saw company used up parts, ultimately confusing us all several years later. One thing i'm pretty sure about is when stihl makes a change to a saws name there is a reason for it. Why call a saw magnum if its the same saw as a super? I'll have to check serial numbers. I still have four or five saws in my possession.
Dowdski stop spatting out information like it's fact. Send Jockey a PM it's that simple.
Dowdski stop spatting out information like it's fact. Send Jockey a PM it's that simple.
Piston Honda
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My apologies yotaismygame.
Thanks for the info on how to contact Jockey. I'm new to the site so I'm pretty ignorant on how it all works. Again my apologies.
Well, my piston arrived this evening and seems comparable in quality to the old one and is even 4+ milligrams lighter! Hopefully within the next month my saw will be a runner once again.
