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  1. TNTreeHugger

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    Lots of destruction going on here with no relief in sight - even with the rainfall yesterday and more to come today.


    Can someone explain to me why fires like these rage out of control?
    Don't they have huge airplanes that can carry tons of water and flame retardant??

    This seems kind of inefficient to me
     
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    The worst drought in 10 years is the answer to #1
    I have no idea to #2
    We were just there last week camping..
     
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    It doesn't help that the controlled burns aren't socially acceptable anymore: those controlled burns kept the undergrowth clean, & helped to prevent these massive fires when in droughts.
     
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    Simple.

    Its dry.

    Its dry.

    And mostly people around large cities and suburbs do not like smoke thus causing prescribed burns to not be allowed.
     
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    The bucket drops do help some. We've used them a lot here in the Southeast and out west.

    But if a fire is really raging..like blowing across the tree tops and spotting several miles..the little Bambi bucket (what we call them) is useless. You have to call in the big boy..the huge tanker with retardant.
     
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    Exactly what I was thinking... why haven't they done that? o_O

    Seems to me the control burns ought to be decided by experts, like the fire department and TWRA, or such and not ignorant citizens.
     
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    I'm around ten miles or so from the Smokies foothills, and I was outside most of the day yesterday, watching the fierce winds blowing leaves and small limbs all over the place. I knew that someplace in the mountains was gonna get burned up good, and sure enough it was Gatlinburg. They had loads of excitement yesterday, a day that won't be forgotten anytime soon.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ion-4-000-s-Dollywood-residents-evacuate.html
     
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    Another site I go to, a resident of the area said that the fire has been burning for 2 weeks now inside the smoky mountain national park.. but they didn't want to bring in heavy equipment to extinguish it for fear of damaging the trees....
     
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    Because the tanker cost most. Its up to the Tenn. officials to decide they want to spend the money and get the tanker...though the NG should have tankers as well as the Forest Service but both are Federally funded.

    They may just do it since its in these fancy town. I havent heard yet for sure if Tenn has issued a State of Emergency where they can get Federal help (money).

    These bambi buckets are good to drop on hot spots.



    The citizens rule the system when it comes to us prescribe burn. We've had so many smoke related car accidents and complaints that its just about make law makers to stop prescribe burning
     
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    And thats the main thing to.

    Lots of national parks do not like heavy equipment disturbing areas.

    Thats when they allow hand crews go in but lots of the terrain is rough.

    To some degree I believe this is a way that some places get burned. Classify it as a wildfire but really it is a prescribe burn since again..people dont like prescribe burns and smoke.


    This fire really doesnt look bad. Leaves mostly.
    Only thing that makes it look bad is the upslope runs but again that isnt to bad.
     
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    Hope that the smoke goes east and smokes out the other Washington so they finally get a hint of what fire season is about. In answer to your original questions, there's been a drought, things are dry--for your area fall is fire season because of so many hardwoods. Add wind and ignition and you've got a big fire.

    Air tankers? They are spendy, can't operate at night, and weather may restrict them. Fires get so big that all you can do is try to steer the fire and use the air tankers to put down a kind of wet/retardant line to do so. The same with helicopters. Big fires will go "out" when a heavy rain hits, when snow is dumped, or when they run out of things to burn--like trees. I've been on some where I've wondered what were we doing besides making extra money because a 3 dozer wide line was not going to stop the thing, much less the little hand line we were building. Oh well, we made lots of overtime and hazard pay. I have heard of air tankers being ordered for a fire even though it would do no good. The public wanted them on the fire, had called their congress people so by god, air tankers would be used. Politics. Our tax dollars go quickly into the fire vortex.

    Welcome to our world. We're getting lots of rain so maybe it will head your way?
     
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    Video of part of the fire damaged area: coming soon. Stupid tablet wouldn't copy the link.
     
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    I wish I could make hazard pay and overtime. All I get is comp time unless its a federal incident.


    There has been smoke pushed on Washington...I was on a fire in Shenandoah National Forest and George Washington national forest around 2011-2013..one of them years. It was around July 4th.

    Washington was supposedly complaining about the smoke was going ruin their BIG firework show.
     
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    http://wate.com/2016/11/29/video-aerial-video-of-gatlinburg-fire-damage/

    If you follow the link, and scroll down there are two videos of the damage. They won't embed for some reason.

    There is a video of a guy trying to escape his neighborhood that is burning up making the rounds of social media. I won't post a link due to the strong language it contains.

    According to the local news, this started as a fire around Chimney Tops, according to google it is about 3000 feet above Gatlinburg. Winds peaked at 87 MPH last night. I bet it showered the whole area in burning cinders and such. Leaves were late this year too.
     
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    Well, glad you were bored. But please respect our dead. Three so far.
     
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