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Discussion in 'Commercial Tree Care and Climbing' started by Phil M., Apr 20, 2019.

  1. Mad Professor

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    The last 3 years each summer the cat got fleas even though she had frontline treatment. She would bring them in and they would get into the rugs furniture before the frontline got to them, then they looked for fresh meat. I'm not sure what was carrying them outside? Fleas can be bad as they are plague vectors.

    The permethrin spray will also work on carpets/couches for fleas. In fact they sell it for that purpose but the diluted stuff is ~ $20 gallon. TSC carries the carpet/couch spray.

    Again it is not cat friendly so let things dry before you let kitty back.

    One more thing on permethrin, it kills most insects, bad and good. That's why I won't use it as a broadcast spray in my yard. I have a lot of beneficial (ladybugs, parasitic wasps, dragonflies, bees, praying mantis, etc....) that I want to help me combat the nasties
     
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    I read that the possum eats TICKS as their main diet. No one seems to like a possum but they can decimate a tick infestation.
    I have seen ticks fly/glide like a flying squirrel to score a meal.
    Years ago a friend told me not to squeeze ticks with pliers as that helps spread (propagate) them, He had been pulling them off of his farm dogs for the last few years and putting them in a plastic pop bottle and put the cap back on.. Next day they are dead as in exploded, doesn't matter what size or how many (or few) you put in the bottle. My friends analogy for this is the tick is allergic to its own breath and its blood or gizzards have baby ticks or tick eggs or something.
    My vet disagrees and infers my notion is merely a wives tale,
    I do know the ticks do not survive the bottle treatment and my 2 acre yard was virtually tick free for a long time . I had 3 German Shepherds then. I moved away and after sitting empty for ten years they are back.
    Other people have said if one is attached to put nail polish remover on it and the area around it The tick will back out and the bite area doesn't itch... I get impatient and can't say if it works but my friends swear to it
    I walked a friends fence line last week to check fence for his cows (Health wouldn't let him) and through the rough / wet / cedars/ hedge It took 2 hours and I got done using my flashlight When I got home I had a couple hundred ticks on me They are bad this year. Needless to say I had my wife help with the ones on my back.... was finding a tick here and there until 3 that morning and had 3 find me later that I am sure were waiting in the truck from the ride home.
     
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    You need to spray down some clothes with permethrin. Ticks don't fly.

    I had a tick on my back I could not get at, just had attached itself. I showered real well and lots of sudsy soap on the tick. I went to the ER to get it plucked as no one was close by to pull it. The ER people said the tick was already dead, the soapy water drowned it.
     
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    Squirrels don't really fly and ticks either so maybe that was the reason for the fly/glide phrase I thought it would help the reader visualize a tick Falling out of a tree and somehow end up landing umpteen feet away from where gravity should have prevailed
    I hesitate to use Permethrin.
    Allergies prevent me from using Off and many soaps I consider you fortunate.
     
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    Bubonic plague……Yucky!!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubonic_plague


    I am not sure what is carrying the fleas but they are terrible this year. I think the last time I have seen them this bad was 1986. Chickens are doing a good job on tick patrol but step outside their range and the ticks are on you like flys on crap.
     
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    straight gassed! I,m appalled!
     
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    Off has DEET, it melts plastic and I stopped using that. Picaradin is a great alternative to DEET, for skin repellents.

    The US services have been using permethrin since the 1980s on BDUs. They actually immerse the uniforms in a solution.

    Ticks do not go into trees. Just grass brush shrubs, maybe as high as chest level. Most are below waist level. Their legs are like the hooks on burdocks/velcro. Once they hitch a ride they will climb to find a good place to feed.

    I've found them behind ears, scalp, arm/leg, chest, groin/crotch (not attached yet thank God). The worst ones were on the middle of my back where I could not get to them to remove.

    You have to be careful removing them especially if they are embedded. Squeezing them may make them puke infected matter into the bite. Clean the bite with soapy water, then rubbing alcohol or betadine/provadone/iodine. Get a script for doxy from a doctor.
     
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    One more thing, there are several other bacteria that are transmitted by ticks besides Lyme, doxy takes care of those also.

    Even worse is a tick borne virus for which there is no treatment and can be fatal, Powassan.

    https://www.cdc.gov/powassan/index.html
     
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    Doxycycline is what I am currently taking.
     
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    2 weeks for normal treatment, 100mg twice a day.

    When I had it for a while, the doc pumped me with an IV then another month of oral
     
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    Got Permethrin?
     
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    Mine is twice a day for 10 days. 7 days left. Antibiotics always make me feel better, regardless. :)
     
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    Ticks get worse every year around here. I'm a little hard-headed, and should take better precautions, but I will go outside for a little while, and end-up doing something else, until I've been out there long enough to get mosquitoes, mayflies, and ticks. They all like me too much.
     
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    That is because you get Lyme disease from the tick's feces. It needs to eat enough to become engorged enough. It lays down a deuce on you and when that gets in the break in your skin that the tick made, the disease is spread...at least that is what a PhD entomologist said in the talk I was at this spring
     
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    The "few days to take" has been refuted. If you get bit get treatment ASAP. Besides lyme there are other tick borne illnesses and you can have one , the other, or co-infections.
     

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    Yup! 1-quart makes 5-gallons of spray. $20 at TSC

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    So every time somebody finds a black-legged tick in them, you think they should get treated with antibiotics? We don't have then in NW Ohio, but my friends in E. and SE Ohio working in forestry find multiple ticks in them EVERY day during the season. With permethrin. With DEET. With gators on their ankles and pants tucked into their boots.

    Is there any evidence that infection happens with the first 12-24 hours? I agree it doesn't take a "few days", but everything I have seen says it takes about 24 hours before there is possibility of infection.
     
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    Well considering a lifetime of crippling effects! I would if I was not allergic. Ticks are the worst!
     
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    http://danielcameronmd.com/long-take-infected-tick-transmit-lyme-disease/

    "Patmas and Remora reported on a case of Lyme disease that was transmitted after only 6 hours of attachment by a deer tick. The authors concluded that, “The current recommendation against treatment of shortduration tick bites may need reconsideration.”(1994)"

    https://www.lymedisease.org/hard-science-on-lyme-ticks-can-transmit-infection-the-first-day/

    From a peer reviewed Medical Journal

    Int J Gen Med. 2015; 8: 1–8.
    Published online 2014 Dec 19. doi: 10.2147/IJGM.S73791



    "Abstract
    Lyme borreliosis is increasing rapidly in many parts of the world and is the most commonly occurring vector-borne disease in Europe and the USA. The disease is transmitted by ticks of the genus Ixodes. They require a blood meal at each stage of their life cycle and feed on a wide variety of wild and domestic animals as well as birds and reptiles. Transmission to humans is incidental and can occur during visits to a vector habitat, when host mammals and their associated ticks migrate into the urban environment, or when companion animals bring ticks into areas of human habitation. It is frequently stated that the risk of infection is very low if the tick is removed within 24–48 hours, with some claims that there is no risk if an attached tick is removed within 24 hours or 48 hours. A literature review has determined that in animal models, transmission can occur in <16 hours, and the minimum attachment time for transmission of infection has never been established. Mechanisms for early transmission of spirochetes have been proposed based on their presence in different organs of the tick. Studies have found systemic infection and the presence of spirochetes in the tick salivary glands prior to feeding, which could result in cases of rapid transmission. Also, there is evidence that spirochete transmission times and virulence depend upon the tick and Borrelia species. These factors support anecdotal evidence that Borrelia infection can occur in humans within a short time after tick attachment."

    "A European study documented six cases of culture-confirmed infection where tick attachment was <6 hours and nine cases where transmission occurred in <24 hours." Strle F, Nelson JA, Ruzic-Sabljic E, et al. European Lyme Borreliosis: 231 culture-confirmed cases involving patients with erythema migrans. Clin Infect Dis. 1996;23(1):61–65.

    "Conclusion
    The claims that removal of ticks within 24 hours or 48 hours of attachment will effectively prevent LB are not supported by the published data, and the minimum tick attachment time for transmission of LB in humans has never been established."

    "Therefore, LB infection can never be excluded after a tick bite irrespective of the estimated duration of attachment time."

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4278789/
     
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