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What brand of 2 stroke oil are you using ?

Discussion in 'Hand Held Equipment and Tools' started by plutus, Sep 24, 2017.

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What brand of 2 stroke oil are you using ?

Poll closed Oct 24, 2017.
  1. Echo Red Armour

    4 vote(s)
    10.8%
  2. Stihl premium 2-stroke oil

    4 vote(s)
    10.8%
  3. Motomaster 2 stroke oil

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Echo Power blend 2 stroke oil

    1 vote(s)
    2.7%
  5. Trufuel 50:1

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Trufuel 40:1

    1 vote(s)
    2.7%
  7. Stihl motomix

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Other

    27 vote(s)
    73.0%
  1. U&A

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    Redline.

    Ester based 2 stroke oil is the best in the world. Everything else is sub par





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  2. Ilmater

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    Engines below 50cc's Minimum fuel to oil ratio 20:1, currently breaking in a new handheld blower at 18:1 on Lubrication Engineers SAE 40 LE8104 (Dino oil). I also have on hand a pretty good stockpile of long discontinued Pennzoil Air Cooled (the real stuff, not the one with "Outdoor" on the label, if it says "Outdoor" it is not the same and not as good). Corrosion protection is an area significantly overlooked by many. You can have all the high-end ester based synthetics you want, the possibly slightly less wear you would get from them over a non-synthetic won't have been worth it if your engine internals develop rust, which is especially more of an issue in high humidity environments.

    Engines 50cc and above, 25:1. I do have 2 different synthetics on hand (one virtually impossible to find anywhere now, Putoline MHX (SAE 50, 18cst @ 100c) and Mobil 1 Racing 2t). I don't know if their anti-rust capabilities are comparable to the aforementioned dino oils, although M1 Racing claims to be effective in this area despite being an ester.

    No fouled plugs, no ooze dripping out of mufflers because I'm using oil that burns cleanly and more completely than a lot of the stuff out there.

    https://thumpertalk.com/forums/topic/816353-redline-2-stroke-premix-oil/

    "Redline: This was a strange oil. The piston and cylinder looked good, with minor shiny spots but no scuffing, and everything was reasonably clean and well-lubed. But this oil actually left surface rust on the crank wheels, and tarnished the carb brass. It also had a tendency to gum up the carb jets for some reason. How a metal surface can be both oily and have rust on it is beyond me, but clearly this oil lacks any proper corrosion-inhibitors, and it must have very high levels of esters that give it a strong hygroscopic effect. I would never use it again, nor could I recommend it."

    "I will never ever use Redline again, for exactly the reasons you mention. It tarnishes the carb brass, clogs the jets if allowed to sit without being drained, and allows surface rust to form on the crank. I used it for an entire top-end life, and will never touch it again."

    https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2428749

    "Redline Racing Oil, 2t, is a known rust/corrosion promoter. I lost a weedwacker due to massive internal rust, along with my Husqvarna 360WXC crankshaft. It was unbelievable, the rust and corrosion was everywhere and unstoppable. "

    https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2269303

    "Redline makes some fantastic products. I use many of them regularly.

    However, if you are talking about Redline Racing Oil (2t), that is not a product for the non racer. And especially not for lawn equipment.

    It promotes corrosion of internal brass carb parts and does not prevent internal engine corrosion (remember, most 2 stroke oils do a great job of preventing internal engine corrosion). I actually had a ryobi fail on this stuff! Took it apart and guess what I found? RUST!

    "manufacturer recommends"/"manufacturer recommendation". There is no such thing when it comes to fuel to oil ratios, and what I mean by that is this: they are ONLY "recommending" that because the EPA forced increasingly damaging emissions regulations on them over the past several decades. A Husqvarna chainsaw sold in the US will "recommend" 50:1, whereas in Australia where the EPA has no jurisdiction, the same saw will cite 25:1 (double the amount of oil) to even be covered under warranty.
     
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    I would guess the manufacturer would consider #4 & 3 in that order the for the recommendation of 50 or north mix ratio's
     
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    I use Stihl Ultra religiously @ 42:1 which is 3 oz to a gallon. I buy oil by the gallon to save money. And, I encourage everyone to run a synthetic oil whether it be Ultra or some other synthetic. Occasionally I run Klotz R50 just to enjoy the aroma......lol


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    I hate that stuff. Smells godawful and gives me a headache. Ultra that is. Haven't run Klotz.
     
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    Only half way up the league of best product but near the top for price there are a good #of better buys
     
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    I don't even remember. I bought a case of something off the eBay last year. Was advertised on here. Have enough to make probably 200 gallons. I go through maybe 20-30 gallons a year.
     
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    BelRay MC1 or H1R or Marine HP
    Quicksilver PWC 2 cycle (excellent)
     
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    Amsoil Saber Professional. Mixed at 3 oz per gallon. Mix ratio ends up right around 43:1.

    I've used lots of different oil. The only one that ever caused issues was Quicksilver Premium outboard oil. It kept clogging the exhaust port of my leaf blower with hard, crusty carbon deposits. It runs fine in my liquid cooled snowmobile.
     
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    Wesson oil works OK right. Or maybe just say no cause its clean. Maybe the 43rd time have seen this. Thanks
     
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    Stens synthetic
     
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    Stihl. I talked with a retired logger and he raised a good point. Stihl extends the warranty on their saws if you only use their mix which means they've got to be pretty confident in it.
     
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    I have since switched to 40:1 ratio, again anything synthetic with a reputable brand
     
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    Motul 800 2T road racing at 40:1-50:1 depending on the saw.

    Ester based


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    Might be because it’s an outboard oil meant to be run in lower rpm liquid cooled engines.

    Same deal as when TCW3 was being used for a while and it is definitely not a good choice for air cooled high rpm two-stroke.




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    Firstly i agree with pretty much you whole post generally but the last paragraph may be your opinion & not fact. I live in Australia, we have an EPA as do most if not all 1st world countries. Husky here advises 50:1. Not sure the EPA enforces oil ratio recommendations on OEM's. Do you have any proof that they do?
     
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    My Wife got me a Hitachi gas leaf blower and in the manual it says the recommended mix ratio is 25:1 to 50:1. I'll just run the same mix that I've been using. Amsoil Saber at now 40:1 in ethanol free fuel since that gas station just up the road added an ethanol free pump. Now it's one gas can for everything I have.

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    The EPA does not enforce oil mix ratios. They do however set emissions levels. The manufacturers have to figure out how to balance power output, engine longevity, weight and many other things for a product. Oil mix ratio is taken into account when making these calculations.
     
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    BINGO!!!


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