LoneOak
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This is a lie! I'm not calling YOU a liar, but that you have been lied too.
Here is a video of a guy testing various gasoline additives on fuel line.
So what's the current Two stroke oil favorite for
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Here is a video of a guy testing various gasoline additives on fuel line.
Ok, that guy is completely full of ****. I currently work in oil refining and Benzene, Xylene and Toluene have been strictly limited for years to extremely minute levels. Partly because they attack rubber and plastic parts as he mentioned, but also due to the fact Benzene is a known carcinogen and toluene and xylene have many other emmissions and other issues.
In addition my first job out of school was working with the Delphi division of General Motors on fuel filters for high percentage ethanol blend and Methanol blend fuels for the Brazilian market. I can say for certain that Ethanol when combined with sulfur compounds in fuel and the water they pull out of the air form nasty corrosive products that attack metal parts, rubber, and many plastics. Ethanol blended fuels also form varnish and gums like crazy.
I currently have a small Honda generator with a rotted fuel line from ethanol use. It's a real issue. Not to mentioned the corrosion issues which are worse problems.
windthrown
361 Junkie
Ah, with a thread title like this one, its like saying "Winter is Coming" in The Game of Thrones.
And so... fade in from white... we see a Neanderthal cast wearing animal hides in the cover of darkness, they are all drunk, yelling and howling at the moon, with fires lighted throughout the scene, chainsaws scattered all around them, and wood chippers parked about. The women are scantly clad in animal furs, and dogs are howling with the men at the moon. Slowly the drums begin to beat and they as increase in tempo the women begin to dance with arms laced in a weaving thread among them. A high priest emerges from off set and climbs to a platform. He turns and announces in a loud booming voice over the drunken crowd:
Summon the oil Demons! Let the OIL WARS RECOMMENCE!
And with that they all take a drink of ale or cider from two large caldrons. They all raise their wooden mugs and chant:
My oil is better than your oil! My oil is better than your oil! My oil is better than your oil!
And with that they fall into a huge fight that lasts for hours, then dragging on for days, then weeks, and then many months, until they are all dead from exhaustion.
And so the Neanderthals became extinct.
And so... fade in from white... we see a Neanderthal cast wearing animal hides in the cover of darkness, they are all drunk, yelling and howling at the moon, with fires lighted throughout the scene, chainsaws scattered all around them, and wood chippers parked about. The women are scantly clad in animal furs, and dogs are howling with the men at the moon. Slowly the drums begin to beat and they as increase in tempo the women begin to dance with arms laced in a weaving thread among them. A high priest emerges from off set and climbs to a platform. He turns and announces in a loud booming voice over the drunken crowd:
Summon the oil Demons! Let the OIL WARS RECOMMENCE!
And with that they all take a drink of ale or cider from two large caldrons. They all raise their wooden mugs and chant:
My oil is better than your oil! My oil is better than your oil! My oil is better than your oil!
And with that they fall into a huge fight that lasts for hours, then dragging on for days, then weeks, and then many months, until they are all dead from exhaustion.
And so the Neanderthals became extinct.
windthrown
361 Junkie
My oil of choice these days. Its cheap, its tested, its rated FD, its full synthetic, and its readily available (at WalMart and Tractor Supply).
I use it st a rate of 3oz/gallon of pure gas. Which is 42.66666666666 to one. Works for me. Most small oil bottles are marked with 2.6oz (50:1)and 3oz.
I use it st a rate of 3oz/gallon of pure gas. Which is 42.66666666666 to one. Works for me. Most small oil bottles are marked with 2.6oz (50:1)and 3oz.
windthrown
361 Junkie
On the subject of gas? I only use pure gas in my saws. No ethanol, thank you. Ethanol eats rubber and aluminum. And it absorbs water. It also has significantly less energy than gas does. And I do not care what some douche says about on YooToob. Ethanol is great stuff... in beer, wine, and booze. Not in engines.
LoneOak
ArboristSite Operative
Well here is the latest MSDS from a major refiner of fossil fuels.
Benzene <3, IE it could be and is nearly zero. And I would guaranteed the Xylene,Toluene is near 1% or less.
I'm going to work tommorow and I will pull the analysis of the nights gasoline run. I can guarantee the aromatics will be very minimal.
The whole methodology of the youtube test is ridiculous. Even in the good ol days you didn't even huge concentrations of BTX. Partly because they are more valuable sold separately from the gasoline pool as they are used to make things like nylon, rubber, glues and plastics.
LoneOak
ArboristSite Operative
Its not the amount of these chemicals that do damage, but the mere presence. Not to mention that each of those chemicals inflicted similar type of damage so the effects are compounded.
Motor fuels are blended for a specific geographical area depending on population, so being in a state with lower population you may see lower amounts of those chemicals because blending regulations will be different.
ALL of those chemicals listed in that MSDS that are NOT Gasoline, are byproducts of the various processes in refining Gasoline and are considered WASTE materials. Some of these waste materials are sold off to the manufactures of the items you described, but the vast majority of their volume is used as blendstock for "Reformulated Gasoline".
LoneOak
ArboristSite Operative
Toluene is also Hygroscopic! Eats rubber, and can oxidize Aluminum! Put a chunk of fuel line in a bottle of Vodka and see what happens!
windthrown
361 Junkie
But but but... its not whut the goons here and on You Toob say!
Yeah, what the F would I know. I am just a dumb ass educated and experienced engineer. I spent many years in a failure analysis lab in San Diego. As such, I happen to disagree with what you have posted here 100%. So you and your 30 posts here are worthy of my ignore list. You are just not worth arguing with.
LoneOak
ArboristSite Operative
Should I apologize for not being a Keyboard Commando? Believe what you like, I only aim to put facts in place of common misconception.
Gasoline isn't one product. It's a chemical soup of various products.
Your assertions on concentration not matter are simply wrong.
I can assure you BTX are not waste products what so ever and some refiners maximize there production. There is litteraly zero waste in oil refining. Margins are small so it just makes poor business sense to produce crap.
You are way out of your wheelhouse here and are grasping at straws.
Again...these are not facts.
But systems are not subjected to vodka. There subjected to a mixture of hydrocarbons and ethanol. Big differance.
Did you ever here of carb problems in the pre ethanol era?
Bill, you rebel.
My favorite oil are the free bottles of oil the dummies throw in the dump because their old.I use any brand of two stroke oil old or new.I mix one quart of oil to 5 gallons of gas for chain saws snow machines outboard motors and lawn boy mowers. I have never had a motor fail due to oil related problems. I put hundreds of hours on my equipment in a year.
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LoneOak
ArboristSite Operative
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/40/261.33
A list of waste materials defined by law.
Your assertions on concentration not matter are simply wrong.
Your evidence to the contrary!
You are way out of your wheelhouse here and are grasping at straws.
Do you also believe that post count correlates to intelligence and expertise?
LoneOak
ArboristSite Operative
Vodka is a fairly pure form of Ethanol, I could have suggested he use E85 but there is still at least 17% Gasoline, which still my contain some percentage of the B.T.E.X chemicals that have been proven "through video evidence" to attack rubber components and fuel line
Did you ever here of carb problems in the pre ethanol era?
The Pre-Ethanol era is also the Pre-Reformulated gasoline era.
So you google something up that you feel proves your point, but in reality doesn't. Bravo. My evidence is I actually make the stuff and don't have to google. And FWIW gasoline isn't a homogeneous product. It's a mix of streams, that themselves are a mix of components. The recipe changes by the hour sometimes.
No, but its clear you don't know what your talking about.
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