Scrounging Firewood (and other stuff)

[chipper1]

Must of been a site out west over 100+ years ago when there was millions of them

I think you mean a sight .
Yep, can't imagine.
I've always wanted to go to one of those zoos you drive around in and the critters are jumping on your car and whatnot .
Screamer alert

 

[chipper1]

These animals are like, we ain't seen nothing like this before .

 

[mountainguyed67]

Looks like Im about ten or so pages behind and have some reading to do!

I’m eleven pages behind.

Tomorrow my son and I are going up to our mountain place to burn piles and haul down more of the big oak I bucked and noodled. We didn’t get it all last time. Might cut more too, we’re taking three saws. Maybe four. We might have down trees to get through just to get there.

 

[Sierra_rider]

What about the clean ones .

I was wondering how they compared. Either one would probably make a great 60cc saw. I'd like to try the 400, it's funny though, I would have been very disappointed based on all the talk; the video helps discern its a great saw, but just another saw.
Also, what the heck were those guys doing running those things shoulder to shoulder

I was anxiously waiting for this comment, but I was wondering which side of the "argument" it was gonna come from lol.

Similar to the 462 and its extra weight in the newer models, they also did that in the 371xp.

My little 242xp is a screamer. I've seen videos of the 543 running right with them though. I've been tempted to grab one up for yrs, but when the opportunity arose I just wasn't feeling it . Sure you'll make the clone a screamer.

I had a ported 361 for yrs, never gave me a single problem and was the most husky feeling stihl I've ran(maybe the 400i is similar?). Then I shot a video after running a couple tanks thru it for the guy I sold it to, and it ran great as normal, well until he got it . He sent me a video of it running and the whole time I watched it I was like stop, stop, stop running it. He said he was gonna bring it to his local shop and have them look at it, I said just send it back and I refunded him his cash and the shipping both ways. Got it here and it had a bad fuel line so I ordered one, dang stihl dealers(one of my biggest complaints with stihls is the dealers/buying parts from them only and not online), replaced it and it ran like a top. He said he had no problem paying for the line, my time, and all the shipping, the turn around was only about a week, probably less than his dealer he said lol. I liked that saw a lot, most I've ran a 60cc saw other than the 359 huskys, I'd own one again, and a buddy of mine is looking for one(not a project though).

As far as the 562 vs 400 video, I'd be curious about the chain on each. I've got quite a bit of time running newer carbed and m-tronic 362s and the 400 has considerably more grunt, I'd figure the comparison to be similar with a 562. The 400 runs like a good running 044 or 372 IMO, maybe a bit more "zippy," but supposedly has similar or slightly more power than a 440 on the dyno.

On second thought, I'm not totally surprised that the 562 has a similar bucking time versus a 400. Both are probably running 7 pin sprockets, have similar rpm, and therefore similar chain speed. The 400 hype for me has never been its cookie cutting speed. The hype is more about the torque it has when dogged in on a tree or when you're putting in your undercut with a 28" bar. Kinda like how 90cc saws don't seem that impressive in cookie cutting races compared to 70-80cc saws, but show there strengths when you're leaning on them.

I hope I can make the clone a screamer. I don't know why I won't be able to, but it's only $180 I'll be out if it's a dud. I still need to find out if the coil is rev limited or not...if the coil isn't rev limited, picking up rpm might be in the realm of possibility...although I don't know how hard I want to push a big heavy strato piston. The other thing is, that torque will be important for my intended use of this saw.

 

[Sierra_rider]

Since we were talking about Stihl clone saws earlier, here's a before/after of cleaning up one of the clone 440 cylinders I was talking about.

Bear in mind that I only did enough machine work to clean up the crappy squish band. Also these aren't getting ported, I just ran a grinder in there to clean up casting marks, bevel the edges, and make the intake somewhat symmetrical...so don't judge me on these ports, I'd do a lot more work on what I would call a ported cylinder.

This is what work is entailed on some of the clone saws, just to make them run well and ensure reliability:

Before



After

 

[JimR]

We don't need permits here in NY, but you are not allowed to bait, which makes it very difficult to get one unless it is just by chance while you are deer hunting.

It was over 20 years (maybe 30) before I saw a bear while I was hunting, but my daughter who has been hunting for 3 years now saw bear on opening morning her first two years. I'm sure I could have taken 2 over the years, but they were not huge, and I have never shot at one.

If I do decide to take one, it will only be because they prey so heavily on the deer.

In Taxachusetts they make you buy a permit for everything. I figured if I was going to be out hunting I may as well have a shot at a bear too. We do have a few good sized black bears poking around. We can't bait them here either.

 

[Sawdust Man]

Since we were talking about Stihl clone saws earlier, here's a before/after of cleaning up one of the clone 440 cylinders I was talking about.

Bear in mind that I only did enough machine work to clean up the crappy squish band. Also these aren't getting ported, I just ran a grinder in there to clean up casting marks, bevel the edges, and make the intake somewhat symmetrical...so don't judge me on these ports, I'd do a lot more work on what I would call a ported cylinder.

This is what work is entailed on some of the clone saws, just to make them run well and ensure reliability:

Before
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AfterView attachment 1038126

Interesting.....
I'm pretty ignorant about cylinders, pistons, and most other saw guts for that matter....but the 4 clone kit cylinders we put together looked quite a bit better to my untrained eyes than what your pictures show..... maybe they're getting better with the QC?
I'm not at all suggesting you are wrong about the quality, just wondering...
I bought all of the kits we built in the last 8 months, btw.
It's also completely possible that I'm just too ignorant to know the difference.

 

[Sierra_rider]

Yup, I'm interested in your experience with it as well....
I actually got mine for $175 delivered, so it didn't hurt too much when it puked out on the second tank.....it didn't run right to begin with, and it wouldn't take a tune.
I can't even get it apart.... the threads stripped on the muffler bolt, but the stupid nut still won't come off so I don't even know what died.....just that it's locked up nice and tight.

Your experience makes me sound like I'm possibly in for a not-so-fun adventure. It'll be extra work, but I'm hoping I can make it right at the beginning.

 

[Sierra_rider]

Interesting.....
I'm pretty ignorant about cylinders, pistons, and most other saw guts for that matter....but the 4 clone kit cylinders we put together looked quite a bit better to my untrained eyes than what your pictures show..... maybe they're getting better with the QC?
I'm not at all suggesting you are wrong about the quality, just wondering...
I bought all of the kits we built in the last 8 months, btw.
It's also completely possible that I'm just too ignorant to know the difference.

I've seen some that were fine...some of the clone Husky cylinders have looked pretty good to the eye. I did a farmertec 52mm cylinder on my 372 when I converted it from XT to OE style. The ports and finish work weren't bad, the only issue I had with it was the port timing was wayyyyy high on the exhaust port. I had to cut a bunch of material out of the squish band and cylinder base just to get the exhaust port where I wanted it.

Aside from the chrome, these 440 cylinders are a lot more rough than the Husky cylinder was. I'd be hesitant to even run these before I cleaned them up. The crappy squish band just hurts performance, but some of the port edges were begging to hang a ring.

 

[Kodiak Kid]

For me, it was more about the cheap reproduction plastics than anything. My 066 and 1 of my 044s had the dreaded leaky fuel caps that the screw-cap Stihls get. The 066 was leaking really bad, like 'out of service' bad. New caps/o-rings don't fix the leak and I think an OEM stihl tank is $180. The farmertec tanks cost less than $40, fit perfectly, and don't leak fuel.

Now that's definitely good to know! Big money saver! Good on ya!

 

[Kodiak Kid]

Todays scrounge consisted of helping my neighbor with s couple loads. I bucked and split while He loaded quarters. He ended up with the two loads you see in the picture. We finally got the downed timber I tipped fir him last Spring. Out of the woods!


After we were done loading up. I couldn't help but do another bucking demo and up load it to You Tube. This time, with my stock MS 260 PRO. Hope you Gentleman enjoy it!
You husky guys better close your eyes! It may scare you!

 

[Sawdust Man]

The 562 definitely doesn't like to be leaned on. Fast saw for sure, but lacks torque.

Well that's interesting.
My 562 had noticably better low end torque than my ms400.
I was very surprised to find that to be the case, but it was very consistent.
For the record both saws were built in '21
The 400 was definitely quite a bit faster in the cut, but I had to use a much lighter hand to keep it happy.

I don't really matter anyway..... because I sold the husky.

 

[Kodiak Kid]

The 562 definitely doesn't like to be leaned on. Fast saw for sure, but lacks torque.

Yes! I agree. Chains? Also, the biggest thing that impressed me about the 400 when I ran it was its torque fir as light and compact of a power saw! Im all about power on the Stump! I always run the shortest bar I can get away with on all my saws. I don't care if its a 30cc up to 125cc! The more bar length you add. The more torque you rob! Long bars were not intended to be used so one dosent have to "bend over" when bucking logs. They are designed fir reach when bucking and felling on steep ground and fir felling "Big" timber! A 60" bar is capable of reaching in to a 12' or 13' tree far enough to relieve the nessasay amount of holding wood to get the tree to commit into a fall. Just say'n gentleman. Longer bars are also good, but not designed fir ripping. That's what double ended bars are designed fir. Now I know a lot of you guys would say. I rip three, four, even five footers with my 880 and a 60" bar. Ok cool! Try ripping a ten or twelve footer with a single 125cc head and an 84" bar! Not at all good fir the saw! Nor is ripping a three footer with a 70cc and a 36" bar. Yes, its possible. Do it every day all day. Then see how long your head lasts!

Just my two cents. Thankyou gentleman. That is all.

Cut safe, stay sharp, and be aware!

 

[Kodiak Kid]

That dude rockin' double cigs?

I think he lighted one of them fir me.

 

[mountainguyed67]

On the splitting thing, sometimes I give up on the "right down the middle" concept, and start taking off 4" at a time around the perimeter. Makes some different looking firewood but some big rounds will just exhaust a fella trying to spilt in half first , then 1/4's and so on. Working in from the outside is the way to go on those ones!
Mind you this is rare but sometimes the best answer for me anyway.

Some of us here know that’s the only way it‘ll work with some rounds.

 

[Sierra_rider]

Oh the joys of working on someone else's saw...this is a 461 I'm doing up, the owner is a very accomplished cutter...however his air filter skills leave a lot to be desired...





Surprisingly enough, this is a running saw and the top end isn't completely trashed. Aside from a chunk missing out of the piston crown on the exhaust side(happened a long time ago judging by the carbon build up,) the piston actually didn't look 1/2 bad. Almost no vertical piston scratches on the intake side and only a minor polishing of the skirt. I ran a hone through the cylinder and it's fine.

 

[mountainguyed67]

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I‘m surprised a load that tall stays upright.

 

[mountainguyed67]

On the subject of firewood and trailers……View attachment 1037514think I might have posted this before, 4 1/2’ red fir my son cut. Didn’t weigh the larger rounds but if they fell over it was all both of us could do to get them back up right, and my son is pretty stout, lol.

Nice load. We once worked on a 5’ red fir, we couldn’t pick up the rounds once they dropped. Had to work the foot of the splitter underneath, or split by hand. Same with a couple 5’ oaks we did.

 

[mountainguyed67]

Wow the husky guys are getting really uppity.

Most of them admit they can’t afford the good saws, and have to settle for that other shade of orange.

 

[sean donato]

Sthil 400 is 66.8 cc, husky 562 is 59.8 cc
The 400 does sound like a great saw though.

Yep, it is. Got rid of 2 562xp once I got the 400, but it did take 8 or 10 tanks to wake up, and then the bark box really gave it a bump.

Im pretty sure the husky cheated! It had some sort of light saber attachment! I "saw" it!

They are great saws as well, just not ms400 great.

The 400 was the biggest saw my dealer had when I needed a saw when my 462 got lifted. I got the 462 back but rarely run it. May look for a 25" light bar for it.The 400 covers most of the cuttin here for now. Don't remember when I ran the 036 or 361 last.

Yep.

I'll take the 562, thankyouverymuch!

SR

That's just cause you haven't run a 400. Lighter, more power.

I think the G4500 is based on an older design, I think they are a clamshell design? The Neotec clone/543xp are the Zenoah gz4300 design. It's a mag-case, strato saw w/adjustable carb. Weighs less than 10lbs, almost as light as my 201t. The mag case is a big deal for me, as it makes it infinitely more easy for me to hop it up.

The Zenoah:

Not clamshell engines, mag cases but they arnt like the traditional husqy,stihl,Echo design.

You would be correct. I looked into it a little more.

I actually don’t think the G4500 is a clamshell but I haven’t taken one apart.

Should be a mag case.

As far as the 562 vs 400 video, I'd be curious about the chain on each. I've got quite a bit of time running newer carbed and m-tronic 362s and the 400 has considerably more grunt, I'd figure the comparison to be similar with a 562. The 400 runs like a good running 044 or 372 IMO, maybe a bit more "zippy," but supposedly has similar or slightly more power than a 440 on the dyno.

On second thought, I'm not totally surprised that the 562 has a similar bucking time versus a 400. Both are probably running 7 pin sprockets, have similar rpm, and therefore similar chain speed. The 400 hype for me has never been its cookie cutting speed. The hype is more about the torque it has when dogged in on a tree or when you're putting in your undercut with a 28" bar. Kinda like how 90cc saws don't seem that impressive in cookie cutting races compared to 70-80cc saws, but show there strengths when you're leaning on them.

I hope I can make the clone a screamer. I don't know why I won't be able to, but it's only $180 I'll be out if it's a dud. I still need to find out if the coil is rev limited or not...if the coil isn't rev limited, picking up rpm might be in the realm of possibility...although I don't know how hard I want to push a big heavy strato piston. The other thing is, that torque will be important for my intended use of this saw.

The 562 always stomped the 362 hard, stock for stock. Even worse once ported. Truthfully it's not far off from the 400, in power. I do think the 562 handled a little better and I liked the snap top on the 562 better then the stupid 1/4 turn screws, but the 400 is just the faster saw. Now I never had an lack of torque feeling with the 562, and I surly don't have that feeling with the 400, but. I would always toss the 20 back on the 562 after I was done with a 24" bar. The 400 till has the 24" bar on it, and will for the conceivable future. It's handles it better then the 562. Actually if the 400 was ported I doubt I'd ever take the 24" off. It's a mean mama with the 20" on though.