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saw it this morning on bloomberg.com:

Environment Be Damned, Oil Prices Light Fire Under Wood in U.S.

By Robert Tuttle
Nov. 21 (Bloomberg) -- More American households, faced with
an 83 percent increase in home heating-oil prices over the past
year, are turning to an alternative as old as the Stone Age:
wood.
While the typical wood stove emits as much as 350 times
more pollution than an oil furnace, according to the U.S.
Environmental Protection Agency, some homeowners find the
economics compelling. Firewood costs less than half as much as
heating oil in terms of energy produced, based on prices from
the U.S. Energy Department and firewoodcenter.com.
``I got nearly a $2,500-a-year saving by putting in a wood
boiler,'' says Wendy Wells, a 39-year-old New Hampshire
bookkeeper who replaced her oil furnace two years ago with a
$3,700 wood-oil combination.
Sales of wood-pellet stoves, the least environmentally
harmful wood-heating devices, more than tripled since 1999 to
133,105 last year, according to the Hearth, Patio & Barbecue
Association in Arlington, Virginia. At Thayer Nursery in Milton,
Massachusetts, owner Josh Oldfield says firewood sales are 15 to
18 percent higher than a year ago.
``As oil creeps up toward $100 a barrel, firewood sales
have increased dramatically,'' Oldfield says. ``There is
definitely a correlation.''
Business also has picked up for sellers of wood stoves,
boilers and ovens used to dry wood, or kilns, says Sherri
Latulip, co-owner of Mountain Firewood Kilns in Littleton, New
Hampshire.

`They Start Buying'

The company's sales have tripled, says her husband, Bill.
Mountain Firewood's kilns retail for $21,800, and combination
wood-oil boilers, for as much as $6,490.
``We really started getting the run on them at the end of
August, early September,'' he says. ``When people hear oil is
going to get expensive, they start buying.''
Crude oil, which accounts for about 60 percent of heating
oil's retail price, rose to a record $98.62 a barrel on Nov. 7
in New York, before declining as demand eased. Crude oil for
January delivery rose $3.39, or 3.6 percent, to settle at $98.03
a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange yesterday.
Heating oil futures, which represent wholesale prices, have
gained 61 percent in the past year, pushed higher by crude oil.
The retail price of the fuel averaged a record $3.21 a gallon on
Nov. 12, the most recent available, according to the Energy
Department. Natural gas prices have fallen 6.8 percent in the
past year through yesterday.
Wood prices have increased more slowly than oil because of
abundant supply and people's ability to gather and split their
own wood, particularly in the Northeast where usage is
concentrated.

Primary Heating Source

Ray Colton, owner of Colton Enterprises Inc. in Pittsfield,
Vermont, says he sells kiln-dried firewood for $220 a cord, the
same as last year. A cord, 128 cubic feet (3.6 cubic meters) of
stacked firewood, is about equal to the amount that can be
loaded onto two full-sized pick-up trucks. The national average
is about $160 a cord, according to firewoodcenter.com.
Wood was the primary heating source for about 1.3 percent
of U.S. households in 2005, according to the most-recent Energy
Department data. That was down from 7.1 percent 20 years
earlier. Seven percent of homes use heating oil, 58 percent
natural gas and 30 percent electricity. Propane and other fuels
account for the remainder.
Pollution is the big drawback. Even stoves that burn dog-
food sized pellets of compressed sawdust emit about 40 times
more particulate matter, similar to soot, than an oil furnace,
according to the EPA.

Federal Regulations

The emissions can contribute to respiratory illnesses such
as asthma, says David Wright, a supervisor with Maine's
Department of Environmental Protection. Wood burning for
residential heating accounted for 57 percent of toxic air
emissions in the state, he says.
The federal EPA issued regulations for woodstoves in 1989,
mandating that they emit no more than 4.1 grams of smoke an hour
for catalytic stoves, which convert particulates and harmful
gases into less-polluting exhaust, and 7.5 grams an hour for
ordinary stoves. Manufacturers that fail to meet those standards
may be fined as much as much as $100 a stove, says John Dupree,
supervisor of the EPA's wood heater program.
Several states, including New Jersey, Vermont and
Washington, also have regulations to control pollution, says
George Allen, a senior scientist at the Boston-based Northeast
States for Coordinated Air Use Management, a nonprofit
association of state air-quality agencies.

New Jersey, Connecticut

New Jersey has a law, enforced by fines, that forbids use
of outdoor wood boilers that emit smoke, says Lisa Rector,
senior policy analyst for the group. States including
Connecticut and Vermont have rules that require wood boilers to
be placed a given distance from a neighbor's property.
Wells says air quality isn't a major concern for people in
her part of New Hampshire, where the temperature falls to minus
20 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 29 degrees Celsius) for weeks at a
time. Almost everyone burns wood, she says.
``It is very expensive to heat our houses up here because
we are so far north and the climate is so cold,'' Wells says.
``We live among the trees, where the deer and antelope play.''

-- With reporting by Mark Shenk in New York. Editor: Wiegold
(djs/rls/ecw)
 
Can you elaborate more Wood Scrounge?

Please understand I am not saying wood smoke is environmentally harmless but Years ago I read a complete spectral analysis of the make up of different exhausts including wood and oil. I will try to get the report and post it.
Basically it says 1 cubic foot of wood smoke weighs significantly more then that of oil. BUT; most of it was water vapor and biodegradable heavy carbons. Yes there are hydrocarbons yes there is significant CO2 (another argument) but it’s not nearly as bad as that report and the other anti-woodites:))) try to make it out to be.
I understand without the data this is a mute argument but I urge you to investigate. I will post the data when I find it.
 
Just wait, now the EPA will try to outlaw wood burning for heat, meanwhile drawing kickbacks from the oil kings! :angry2: :angry2: :angry2:
 
wood burning

first of all hello to one and all this is my first post .getting to the point no way do i consider myself an expert in this field but recently in doing a little research in this area i came across an article on the web about this very subject . unfortunately i do not remember the source except to say i believe it was a pro green or environmental group . there summation on wood burning was that if you used a certified wood stove and it was working correctly the wood you were burning released no more co2 than if the wood was left to decay naturally in the Forrest. it is for this reason they actually had wood listed as a green sustainable energy source.
 
Burning wood is almost carbon nuetral!

See John's article in M.E.N.
Wood is about half carbon by weight but its use as a fuel is almost carbon-dioxide neutral because trees absorb CO2 as they grow. When trees mature, die and fall in the forest, and decompose there, the same amount of CO2 is emitted as would be released if they were burned for heat. In other words, decomposition (rot) is a slow form of oxidation whereas combustion in a woodstove or furnace is fast oxidation, with heat as a by-product. When considered over the normal forest regeneration period of 50 to 100 years, heating with wood can be considered almost CO2 neutral. In heating our houses with wood, we are simply tapping into the natural carbon cycle in which CO2 flows from the atmosphere to the forest and back. Therefore, when wood is burned as a substitute energy source for fossil fuels, a net reduction in GHG emissions results.
full article http://www.motherearthnews.com/Rene...h-Wood-Why-Wood-Heat-Is-Renewable-Energy.aspx
 
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Burning wood is almost carbon nuetral!

See John's article in M.E.N.
Wood is about half carbon by weight but its use as a fuel is almost carbon-dioxide neutral because trees absorb CO2 as they grow. When trees mature, die and fall in the forest, and decompose there, the same amount of CO2 is emitted as would be released if they were burned for heat. In other words, decomposition (rot) is a slow form of oxidation whereas combustion in a woodstove or furnace is fast oxidation, with heat as a by-product. When considered over the normal forest regeneration period of 50 to 100 years, heating with wood can be considered almost CO2 neutral. In heating our houses with wood, we are simply tapping into the natural carbon cycle in which CO2 flows from the atmosphere to the forest and back. Therefore, when wood is burned as a substitute energy source for fossil fuels, a net reduction in GHG emissions results.
full article http://www.motherearthnews.com/Rene...h-Wood-Why-Wood-Heat-Is-Renewable-Energy.aspx

Of course you are correct,Keith, but please don't introduce any facts that might contradict the Global Scammers.The link between GW and CO2 has not been proven, so let's stop playing by their rules.
 
I think the argument over the carbon release is that if left in the woods, it would be released slowly over a long time as the tree rots but when you burn it, it's released inside of a month instead. That's assuming that you take just dead trees... if you cut live ones, their cycle of absorption is cut short and what they did absorb is released prematurely.

devil's advocate,
Ian
 
I would agree with the article in one point more people are going to wood heat.

After my electric bill trippled I went to wood no more $500 per month electric bills for me. I save about 2-300/month and burn a cord a month. Good thing I am handy with a saw and already had all the stuff, though because cord wood around here is $200+ and that is not hardwood.
 
Anyone ever notice that the ones screaming the loudest about all this carbon nonsense, seem to live in areas where they seldom have the opportunity to freeze to death, or have subsidized energy for heat?

Buncha oil industry shills as far as I can tell.

Stay safe!
Dingeryote
 
I'm not seeing screaming on here. Where? :popcorn:

Adding to the carbon bit, wood continues to store carbon, in a way, after the tree is cut if the wood is used for lumber.

I burn firewood. Right now I've got the electric heat going. My highest electric bill ever in this climate, was last winter, in a drafty house, when we had a long stretch of cold for here temps, and I got a bill of $180? for two months. My highest, when I lived in the Up Nort Midwest was the same for one month. The latter includes the natural gas.

I don't think it pencils out well for me. Wood heat is a nice to have product for me. Not a necessity. But it sure is nice to have when the power goes out.

CPO, I see you have PNW down. What part of the PNW? Seems like you have an extreme cost for power.
 
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