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northmanlogging

northmanlogging

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Hard to glean useful info. with Ingsoc troll/trolls dropping turds on anything that questions todays ecopolitical instability.
Outside of their circle jerks, everyone agrees these are crazy days - making it a challenge for investing:

Assume perfect credit rating:
Obtain .11% interest on savings account
Obtain mortage rate of ~2.5 - 3% after all is accounted for.
Pay 20% on a loan with collateral.
You've clearly decided that you know best, about all things ever.

So why even ask the questions if your not going to heed the answers?

Go start your business, no time like the present and all that, spend a **** load of money on the machine you already think, no "know" is perfect. I'm rooting for you.

In the meantime, stop asking questions you don't want answers too.

To be clear, in 2007, I just started dabbling in logging again, the 07-08 recession made my machinist career clearly obsolete, timber prices haven't been lower since. By 2012 I was licensed bonded insured etc, and had started buying equipment, WITH CASH. I went full time in 2016 with zero dept. I've learned a great deal from this forum, and I generally try to give that info back as best I can. You have been given the same respect by me and others on AS. as countless other folks that wanted to follow the same or similar paths. Many have succeeded, many more never went through with it, I'm sure a few have failed.

You came here I assume looking for either advice, or bias confirmation. Best you decide which one you're willing to accept.
 
olyman

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Some posters had previously earned a position on the esteemed Ignore list for brain diarrhea over useful insights.


Good luck to anyone starting a major enterprise and lacking self confidence in their own judgement - after gathering as much info as possible.
so cool...…………………………………….
 
slowp

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Hey, you've got the nasty forum back. There's no need to infect this one. I am thinking that there are a lot of professional trolls on A/S judging by the amount of time they spend and the repeating of all the usual conspiracy BS, over and over and now the gem of Iowa has chimed in.

Softdown, I have my doubts that you even have a business or are planning on buying any equipment. I think you are FAKE news!

Oh, and I get my news from the local newspaper, the semi local paper, a national paper, NPR, and various other articles that interest me. I grew up hanging out at a newspaper office where my mom worked. I actually pay for subscriptions!

You were getting some good advice. Unfortunately, people like you have chased away some very experienced people and continue to do so. This site is becoming a joke.

Hope you enjoy being a lonely "expert".
 
catbuster

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Bought a 22,000 lb dedicated mulcher with 9' mulching head. Why do ~1 acre/day when ~3 - 4 acres/day may be possible?

Because it can’t go a lot of the places a skid steer mounted head can go, fit the places it can, or be moved easily behind on a PJ trailer behind a one ton as far a production goes. I also can’t claim to work in Colorado, but I haven’t met many people looking to mulch large areas, and if you only work for a half day you can only reasonably bill for that and then you’re into mob costs for a bigger machine, which are more. And you still need your 3/4 or one ton to haul fuel and supplies.

Also, you have just pigeonholed yourself into doing one thing with that enormous cash layout because you have a machine that only does one thing. It’s not going to be possible to put a bucket, forks, grapple, harley rake, trencher, box broom and on and on on a dedicated mulching tractor. Do you have any idea how much more you can offer with a CTL that has just a bucket? I’d guess the answer is no, because you, as the wannabe expert business owner, got tunnel vision and didn’t consider any of the other avenues you have, and the need to be fluid when you’re small and doing anything related to small scale forestry/construction/lanscaping, which you have just bought into.

Care to share how much your mulching tractor set you back? What’s the make and model? Any pictures of it? I don’t think you did anything.
 
northmanlogging

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Because it can’t go a lot of the places a skid steer mounted head can go, fit the places it can, or be moved easily behind on a PJ trailer behind a one ton as far a production goes. I also can’t claim to work in Colorado, but I haven’t met many people looking to mulch large areas, and if you only work for a half day you can only reasonably bill for that and then you’re into mob costs for a bigger machine, which are more. And you still need your 3/4 or one ton to haul fuel and supplies.

Also, you have just pigeonholed yourself into doing one thing with that enormous cash layout because you have a machine that only does one thing. It’s not going to be possible to put a bucket, forks, grapple, harley rake, trencher, box broom and on and on on a dedicated mulching tractor. Do you have any idea how much more you can offer with a CTL that has just a bucket? I’d guess the answer is no, because you, as the wannabe expert business owner, got tunnel vision and didn’t consider any of the other avenues you have, and the need to be fluid when you’re small and doing anything related to small scale forestry/construction/lanscaping, which you have just bought into.

Care to share how much your mulching tractor set you back? What’s the make and model? Any pictures of it? I don’t think you did anything.
22k and9' wide... so that can still be moved by dumb truck and tag trailer, at least here in WA though each state is different. however, you will need oversize load signage and possibly permits.
Its probably going to guzzle upwards of 60-70 gallons of fuel in a day.
while it can mulch a wide swath, how nimble is it?
Hows it going to do on steep hills?
And sure it might be able to do 3-4 acres a day, but does it have enough work to do 3-4 acres a day EVERY DAY?
Pretty sure dude has me in ignore.
Its also a one trick pony, it mulches... so its also going to be seasonal only.
where as a skid steer, track loader etc, can do just about anything you want, (and still get upwards of 3 acres mulched in a day)

He's already decided, Hel he decided before posting. I'm just throwing out info for the public at this point.
 
Gologit

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Hey, you've got the nasty forum back. There's no need to infect this one. I am thinking that there are a lot of professional trolls on A/S judging by the amount of time they spend and the repeating of all the usual conspiracy BS, over and over and now the gem of Iowa has chimed in.

Softdown, I have my doubts that you even have a business or are planning on buying any equipment. I think you are FAKE news!

Oh, and I get my news from the local newspaper, the semi local paper, a national paper, NPR, and various other articles that interest me. I grew up hanging out at a newspaper office where my mom worked. I actually pay for subscriptions!

You were getting some good advice. Unfortunately, people like you have chased away some very experienced people and continue to do so. This site is becoming a joke.

Hope you enjoy being a lonely "expert".
Yup. Well said.
 
northmanlogging

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It's funny, when I buy a new piece of equipment I can't wait to show it off...
to be fair, posting pictures is next level stuff... you have to A have some sort of digital conveyance to take said picture, and B click on the little mountain icon, then go find your picture, click add, write a witty response (the truly difficult part) then sit back and gloat as folks smash the Like button.
 
catbuster

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22k and9' wide... so that can still be moved by dumb truck and tag trailer, at least here in WA though each state is different. however, you will need oversize load signage and possibly permits.
Its probably going to guzzle upwards of 60-70 gallons of fuel in a day.
while it can mulch a wide swath, how nimble is it?
Hows it going to do on steep hills?
And sure it might be able to do 3-4 acres a day, but does it have enough work to do 3-4 acres a day EVERY DAY?
Pretty sure dude has me in ignore.
Its also a one trick pony, it mulches... so its also going to be seasonal only.
where as a skid steer, track loader etc, can do just about anything you want, (and still get upwards of 3 acres mulched in a day)

He's already decided, Hel he decided before posting. I'm just throwing out info for the public at this point.

On some of the big ass mulching tractors the head can swivel, and than can take care of your width, the same way I can flip the angle blade around on my D5 so I can haul it without an oversize permit. I guess it’s doable, size and weight are no problem behind a dump truck with enough gears and horsepower. I can’t think of any state I’ve worked in where I couldn’t move that machine with that setup.

It’s still easier to move a 10,000 lb machine with a deckover tilt trailer and an F-250. It’s also way easier to throw a 75 or 90 gallon L tank into that F-250 for your fuel.

I dunno. Maybe. Some days I miss when I was running my ‘02 F-350, 941 and my little tractor. Those were the days.
 
northmanlogging

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On some of the big ass mulching tractors the head can swivel, and than can take care of your width, the same way I can flip the angle blade around on my D5 so I can haul it without an oversize permit. I guess it’s doable, size and weight are no problem behind a dump truck with enough gears and horsepower. I can’t think of any state I’ve worked in where I couldn’t move that machine with that setup.

It’s still easier to move a 10,000 lb machine with a deckover tilt trailer and an F-250. It’s also way easier to throw a 75 or 90 gallon L tank into that F-250 for your fuel.

I dunno. Maybe. Some days I miss when I was running my ‘02 F-350, 941 and my little tractor. Those were the days.
Yeah, I'm starting to miss the days of just one piece of iron...

But then I realize I was still working 2-3 jobs then, and things didn't really start hopping until I got more equipment, more versatile equipment...

Was a lot funner then though, bombing down back roads in a skidder with no escort is a whole bunch of fun.
 
slowp

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There is always The Tire Relay when moving a steel tracked thing a majig on a paved road. I participated in such an event. Want an aerobic workout? Take part in The Tire Relay. The one operator would set the yarder throttle (or whatever controls the speed of movement) and get out and move tires, then hop back in and adjust the steering a bit, hop back out, repeat. I took pity on the two guys trying to tire relay it by themselves and helped out, until the fallers :bowdown: came along on their way home, kicked me off the team and started helping out. The yarder arrived at the next landing in the usual condition.
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Rigging up of yarder after arrival to the next landing on a day that the crew showed up. Note the pavement. The logger is responsible for any damage to the pavement.
 

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For forestry mulching skid steer? Both would be great but have not seen both avail on same used machine.

Colorado has dry snow so slipping on ice is marginalized a bit.

Thinking it ma6 be less ecpensive to add auxiliary cooling than steel tracks.

But steel tracks are pretty noisy and taboo on asphalt. But im planning on forestry work far from pavement.

Plus Colorado mountains run cooler than normal.
I had steel tracks on my old skid steer and though they do what they are intended to do, they are a lot of maintenance with constantly replacing worn links and bushings. Also they are a challenge to load on a trailer with steel ramps. If your not perfectly level you will slid side ways and fall off the ramp.
 
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