Not even kidding, find out from some high-powered lawyers what to do! Local yokels won't work. If that was here, the Police would stop them and there would be a lawsuit sure as hell. They don't have a right to spray you!
Tree Damage From Crop Spraying
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Been there, done that. Even called Morgan & Morgan two years ago.
No one is interested unless someone is dying or dead. No joke. They told me that on the phone.
Another attorney I talked to, jolly old fella, basically told me he'd be happy take all my money, but unless I get a class-action suit, I didn't stand a chance of winning.
A smile does wonders. Soft words turn away anger. I realize that might be a challenge for you, but consider this a battle strategy, not a concession of defeat.
Just putter out into the field, approaching their work zone. Drive up to where their trucks are parked and the staging area. Let them come to you. If they don't come trotting over, then take some pics of the labels on their herbicide tanks. They will be along shortly, if they see you.
Chances are excellent that they will approach you somewhat hostile. Just be nice, and explain that you are concerned about what they are putting down. If you get the "none of your business, lady" approach, then just ask them if they would prefer to deal with your complaints through the Dept. of Agriculture.
If they threaten to call the cops for trespassing, just smile at them and offer your phone with 911 already punched in. Let 'em know that they can choose to be friendly, and the interaction will be much more pleasant.
Your interactions will be a lot more agreeable if you quit treating them like invaders. From their perspective, they have done you no harm, and you are just the crazy lady next door. Assure them that you want them to keep farming the adjacent property, but that you have concerns that they can alleviate if they would just play nice. Then smile a bit more, and let 'em call the cops if they wish.
Just putter out into the field, approaching their work zone. Drive up to where their trucks are parked and the staging area. Let them come to you. If they don't come trotting over, then take some pics of the labels on their herbicide tanks. They will be along shortly, if they see you.
Chances are excellent that they will approach you somewhat hostile. Just be nice, and explain that you are concerned about what they are putting down. If you get the "none of your business, lady" approach, then just ask them if they would prefer to deal with your complaints through the Dept. of Agriculture.
Trust me! NOBODY wants to even have their name mentioned to the Dept. of Ag. Even when they are making faultless applications.
If they threaten to call the cops for trespassing, just smile at them and offer your phone with 911 already punched in. Let 'em know that they can choose to be friendly, and the interaction will be much more pleasant.
Your interactions will be a lot more agreeable if you quit treating them like invaders. From their perspective, they have done you no harm, and you are just the crazy lady next door. Assure them that you want them to keep farming the adjacent property, but that you have concerns that they can alleviate if they would just play nice. Then smile a bit more, and let 'em call the cops if they wish.
C'mon now. Wind speed AND direction, as well as temperature, are a requirement for recording their application. If you document otherwise than their records, that is a problem when the Dept of Ag comes by to talk to you.
If they are applying Roundup (glyphosate), you can relax. It does not volatilize. Drift might be a concern, but not volatility. It is the phenoxy-herbicides that have well-known volatility problems.
I called my farmer.
He's not a talkative guy to begin with, but all he had to say was "Idk" when I asked what they were spraying.
Finally, he said he was planting and his son was spraying.
I asked him if he could ask his son, when he wasn't busy, what the chemicals are and let me know. He said. "If I remember."
That's when I asked him for his sons phone number.
And he gave it to me.
And I called him.
Here's the list of the concoction he's spraying:
Reign
Flumioxazin
Verdict
Agsaver (glyphosate)
Titan Complete
MSO
Btw, the kid was coughing while I was talking to him.
No need for all that. Again, been there, done that two years ago.
I called him.
No, don't trespass on their land! They can use it as leverage against you! Call the Cops if you want it on record.
I'm done recording, photographing, taking notes, and talking to the Dept of Ag.
"REIGN LC is an easy-mixing polyacrylamide concentrate that decreases driftable fines and improves deposition."
No risk whatsoever to your plants."Preemergence and early postemergence control of many annual broadleaf weeds and preemergence control of many annual grasses in established container and field grown woody ornamentals. Typically used as a directed application to avoid injury to desirable foliage but can be broadcast applied to some conifers. Often tank mixed with a non-selective herbicide, such as glyphosate, for POST and PRE weed control. Flumioxazin added to such mixtures can improve control of glyphosate-resistant weeds when applications are made to young seedlings."
This is basically a soil sterilant with diminished effects on woody vegetation. As explained in the quote above, it is used to "help out" the roundup/glyphosate. So it's not at all good when drifted onto your yard, but not so bad for any woody vegetation nearby.I'm not familiar with this product, but the label shows two ingredients. It is mostly a pre-emergent herbicide (no risk to existing plants, but not at all good for gardens growing from seed, and it has some "burn down" traits as well. Probably not very hazardous for established plants, although defoliation is possible.
No risk of volatility, a small risk of permanent damage from a light overspray onto woody vegetation. Huge, disastrous swaths of vegetative death if they hose down your entire fenceline, especially to herbaceous plants.
I have not been able to find this herbicide. "Titan" is a name associated with several widely different herbicides and insecticides, as well as a herbicide company down under. No help on that topic.
Methylated seed oil. This is an additive that assists the other herbicides' activity. On its own, I am not aware of any damage it might do to your plant, and in some cases, I think it might act like dormant oil, and provide some kill of scale or other overwintering insects.
More likely to be the result of a virus than herbicide exposure. Maybe he's been smoking all his life, too. That always helps when something else is irritating your lungs.
Tresspassing is a no risk situation when done in what is called a "curtilage" area. After approaching the farmers upon an access drive, it would take a police order that "tresspassed" a person from a property before any legal steps could be done. This is a legal process that takes a prosecutor to enforce upon a subsequent violation.
Setting foot on someone else's property isn't going to cause any problems for the average citizen. You might very well get escorted off the property with an order to not return.
Here's how he described them:
Reign - anti-drift/stay put, said it is slimy. (I read about this stuff two years ago, it's what firefighters add to water in firetruck tanks.)
AgSaver - generic Round-up
Titan Complete - surfactant
MSO - amonia sulphate
Flumioxazin - a' residual
Verdict - broadleaf herbicide.
Reign - anti-drift/stay put, said it is slimy. (I read about this stuff two years ago, it's what firefighters add to water in firetruck tanks.)
AgSaver - generic Round-up
Titan Complete - surfactant
MSO - amonia sulphate
Flumioxazin - a' residual
Verdict - broadleaf herbicide.
No.
Really? Please give some detail.
Misery loves company.
He's finished the field to the south, just started spraying the field to the north.
This property line is less than 50' from the end of my home.
Like I said earlier would happen... right around noon, wind jumped from 10 to 12 mph, and now we have 18mph gusts.
This property line is less than 50' from the end of my home.
Like I said earlier would happen... right around noon, wind jumped from 10 to 12 mph, and now we have 18mph gusts.
| 11:53 AM | 80 °F | 59 °F | 48 % | SSW | 6 mph | 0 mph | 29.35 in | 0.0 in | Partly Cloudy |
| 12:53 PM | 81 °F | 60 °F | 49 % | SSW | 12 mph | 18 mph | 29.35 in | 0.0 in | Partly Cloudy |
He probably does have ammonium sulfate in the tank. That isn't MSO, however, as I explained above. Neither of them should be a concern for your yard, except that both enhance the effectiveness of the herbicides.
Quite frankly, that sounds like a quite expensive blend of herbicides and adjuvants. I'd guess that they know what they are doing, and have no interest in wasting any of it on your property.
All I know is what he said.
Like I've said, since the beginning, I have no doubt they are qualified and competent farmers. They both told me today they are not, and will not use 24-D or dicamba again.
I believe they are doing what they can to not have a repeat of the chemical trespass of two years ago.
The issue, right from the beginning, has been with the 24-D ester.
And I'll say it again, it's horrible stuff and should not be on the market.
That said, some of you are missing the big picture - what they are doing on that property is affecting what I do on mine... because what they spray is trespassing onto my property.
Why did I have to cover my garden with plastic today?
Why did I have to come inside and close all the windows?
Why did I have to take a shower to wash off the stuff that landed on my face and hair?
It was a beautiful day outside, plenty of fresh air and sunshine to enjoy working in.
Now, the air stinks of chemicals and I am forced to stay inside. What kind of freedom is that?
Idk why some of you can't understand the concept of "chemical trespassing" on private property.
It's more like an assault or poisoning!
I've said it before. CALL your Department or Agriculture. Right to farm is one thing. Reoccurring herbicide drift is another.
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