Unionizing?

[NYWoodsman]

For reference, buying the self loader log truck has been an interesting journey with a lot of immigrant labor involved, dudes are absolutely fearless. And literally laugh off near death experiences, but not stupid, they know the danger, and are careful, but do it anyway because it needs to get done. (I just haul their logs, not my zoo, not my monkeys etc, but I do have a lofty vantage point and get to yacking with the grunt laborers)

Where as Union outfits would shut everything down, have a safety meeting, then bring in a specialist, taking a week to get done what should of taken an hour.

Rubbish

 

[Jhenderson]

I'm sure you can provide legitimate proof that these unions have members who are here illegally. Ever hear of HB1 Visas, Nice try. For those of you who think unions are still shady organizations operated by Italy Mob figures nothing could be further from the truth. If only Washington had the oversight that unions are subjected to this country wouldn't be in the mess it's in right now

What do you want, names and addresses?
Try the Pew Hispanic center. They report 30% of dishwashers and 20% of cooks are illegal immigrants. You’d probably prefer the H1B visa? Do You know what they’re for? Special skills and knowledge. Nobody cleaning hotel rooms or bussing tables quality’s for an H1B visa. I refer you to an outfit called ThinkProgress. Naturally they‘re a pro union outfit. They cite how since the year 2000, the AFL/CIO has adopted a stance of Blanket Amnesty for all illegal workers. Or maybe you’d rather consult the ACLU and learn about illegal immigrants in the hotel industry. Now, tell us all about all those unions complaining about illegal immigration.

 

[northmanlogging]

Rubbish

Its highly amusing, when someone uses their own observations, and experience to relate a story, and some ass hat just dismisses it off hand as false.

Maybe there are other truths in this world then your own very limited view of the world.

 

[Jhenderson]

Who are you going to believe, him or your own lying eyes?

 

[northmanlogging]

Who are you going to believe, him or your own lying eyes?

Yes?

 

[Tree Feller]

How can you separate unions and politics? You simply cannot.

I was in one union once. AFL-CIO. Waste of space do nothing union people with seniority got the best jobs. Also they could not be fired, no matter how much they forked things up. Same as the union stewards; untouchable. Even if they called in sick every other day. "Go slow" was the constant union mantra. Later when I was working at GD in Sandy Eggo we engineers voted ourselves out of the stupid union there. That was so we could actually get something done! It happened right after I was hired so I did not have to join. There were 4 other unions there on that campus and they were ALWAYS one on strike or negotiating a contract or threatening to walk out. They used to bully us and rant at us in the parking lot. Stand in front of our cars so we could not leave, and that kind of crap. We could not do a hundred and one different things and we had to go through the union staff for all kinds of stuff, including taking a circuit board from one side of the lab to the other. If we dared do anything ourselves, grievances were filed. It was all about them sucking the company and the government dry. Insane rules. Insane demands. Insane benefits. Here in Portland the unions screwed themselves out of the dockyard jobs. They demanded INSANE wages (like $100 grand a year for longshoremen), so what happened? The last container shipping line simply left Portland in 2016 not to return until one South Korea company came back last year, but only once a week. So the roads here are clogged up with trucks to cover for the shipping demand. What a great idea that was to demand insane wages and force the shipping out of The Port of Portland! Way to go unions!

I have no time for unions. They are a complete waste of everything. Time, money, people, taxes, management, skills, etc. etc. Completely useless in my experience. Worse than useless in the case of GD and the Port of Portland. A great system to force US companies to move jobs overseas.

Absolutely! Best post on this thread!