Waste motor oil as bar oil

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One other YUGE issue with using motor oil as bar oil (used ot new) to point out is that it is full of detergent. Bar oil is ND or non detergent. One factor that makes bar oil better than most motor oil. The idea being that you want the oil to stay on the bar for a while to do its job and not fling off due to reduced friction of the detergent. Counter productive to a tackifier. If you have to use motor oil, use new ND 30 (ND = non detergent) and it will be a lot better. That is what we used back in the old days in the big old MAC saws. I know a lot of people here do not give a shyte, but there is the added issue of dumping detergent into the environment. Lest you fill your environment with more suds that it does not need. Living and cutting in the Cascades and coast ranges from north Oregon to central California, I have seen many streams and creeks foam up with suds. Many in places were only logging occurs, and nothing else.
 
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One of my good buddies used to cook with lard because his mom did. He stopped doing that after his blocked artery almost shut off his heart and required a stint to keep him alive.
Eating saturated fat like lard actually has nothing to do with blocked arteries. Quite the opposite, really. Its a complete myth that fat causes heart disease. I know, its against the paradigm of 'modern' medicine these days, and many doctors still do not agree, but a growing number of doctors (particularly kidney specialists) are realizing this after many years of research. The so called modern diet of low fat and high sugar and refined carbs has led to high rates of insulin resistance, which causes obesity, heart disease, diabetes, kidney disease, and even dementia. Yeah, I can hear you all screaming already. But its an emerging paradigm that is replacing the old one. I flipped to a high fat low carb diet (with a lot of bacon, lard, butter, cheese, etc) and I lost 20 pounds in less than 2 months. I do not snack or crave carbs any more. I have kept the weight off since changing over to a low carb, high fat diet. I do not eat the candy, soda pop, cake or pie any more. I eat a lot of eggs. Yes, they are supposed to be bad, but in fact they are good.

There is an old saying in Russia that you need to eat fat to lose fat. Which is actually correct. When you eat sugar and refined carbs (which you rapidly convert to sugar) your body responds by producing insulin. When you have high insulin levels, you cannot (yes, CANNOT) burn fat. Insulin not only prevents you from burning fat, it forces you to store fat and make you even fatter. After eating lots of carbs and sugar, your body becomes more resistant to insulin. Then you start craving more food, particularly carbs and sugar, and you gain more weight because you cannot burn the fat off. It becomes a viscous cycle. People are literally starving while they stuff their faces with carbs and sugar and they get fatter and fatter. When you eat a low carb diet, your insulin levels remain low, and when insulin levels are low, you can burn off fat.

Yes, the commercial food industry has everyone convinced that consuming Coca Cola, Twinkies, Mars bars, pies, fruit loops, pizza, pasta, and bread are all great stuff. The FDA and USDA have their food pyramids with low fat and high carbs, and most grocery isles are full of high carbs and sugar laden foods. Its similar to the days when the tobacco industry convinced people that smoking cigarettes was good for you, and 4 out of 5 doctors recommended smoking Winstons. But they are simply wrong. Get off the sugar and high carb diet and you will do yourself a great favor. I can tell you that it is not easy though. Sugar is very addictive and it is a drug like no other. Another way to reduce your insulin resistance without giving up carbs is to only eat in a 8-10 hour window every other day. That will force you to burn up your carb and sugar stores (glycogen) and lower your insulin levels for 6-8 hours a day and then you will burn the fat off. Eating all the time causes your insulin levels to remain high. The idea of 4th meal (or 5th and 6th meals) and snaking all the time just causes you to want to eat more and gain more weight. Another vicious cycle.

There is much misinformation out there designed to keep you on a high carb diet. But there is emerging evidence that a higher fat lower carb diet is the key to a better life. As there is about not constantly snacking. If youwant to know more about low carb and time restricted diets, I would recommend that you watch anything by Jason Fung MD (a kidney specialist) like this one:
 
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Bottom line: "Get off the sugar and high carb diet and you will do yourself a great favor." That includes high sugar soft drinks that people over consume, not realizing how many teaspoons of sugar are in just one bottle. Diabetes is the real problem here. Once diabetes arrives, you will have severe health problems on several fronts.
 

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A couple of years ago it was dont eat butter n ow its ok they tell you to eat from the three food groups .the Eskimo people were the healthiest people in the world until the white man introduced them to refined sugar.What did our Eskimo eat
meat fat and blubber and some fish.Now you tell me where are the green vegetables and yellow vegetables and salads.
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A couple of years ago it was dont eat butter n ow its ok they tell you to eat from the three food groups .the Eskimo people were the healthiest people in the world until the white man introduced them to refined sugar.What did our Eskimo eat
meat fat and blubber and some fish.Now you tell me where are the green vegetables and yellow vegetables and salads.
Kash
They also walked for miles and miles to catch said seal and had to build shelter extra
 
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still need some sort of veggie and fruit to balance things a bit. beets-garlic-strawberries, & someothers are helpful in reducing high blood pressure. raw vegies are a bit better than processed ones. Rice- Just about all kinds, some worse than others, is loaded with arsenic- better choices out there in lew of. corn syrup is added to all kinds of processed stuff, dang stuff is sugar just another form than processed cane.
 

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I have been using waste oil for many years as bar oil with absolutely no issues what so ever. I do steer clear of the real dirty black oil and stick with oil that a little cleaner.
I do use some cheese cloth to strain out any buggers that might be in it before I use it.
I do it for the same reason. The cost of using brand new bar oil is way more expensive then a new bar. I just crank my oil pump to full blast and let'er rip.
 
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Had to skip over some pages but just wanted to note that my favorite solution to the “what bar oil in a pinch” dilemma is to try to always be living and working in places where the nearest friendly local gas stations keep bar oil on hand as a routine item.
 
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One other YUGE issue with using motor oil as bar oil (used ot new) to point out is that it is full of detergent. Bar oil is ND or non detergent. One factor that makes bar oil better than most motor oil. The idea being that you want the oil to stay on the bar for a while to do its job and not fling off due to reduced friction of the detergent. Counter productive to a tackifier. If you have to use motor oil, use new ND 30 (ND = non detergent) and it will be a lot better. That is what we used back in the old days in the big old MAC saws. I know a lot of people here do not give a shyte, but there is the added issue of dumping detergent into the environment. Lest you fill your environment with more suds that it does not need. Living and cutting in the Cascades and coast ranges from north Oregon to central California, I have seen many streams and creeks foam up with suds. Many in places were only logging occurs, and nothing else.
The type of detergents found in motor oil are not the type you put in your washing machine. They really don't have any effects on oil sling off the bar or any other bad effect for that matter.
The reason drain or motor oil sling of the chain easier is due to viscosity and the fact motor oil doesn't have a tac additive.
 
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For 30 years, I used the EPX 90 (not multigrade) + a trace of molybdenum (moly slip) as bar oil. I saved the oil from my 4 x4 transmission (G box, transfer & differentials) that I routinely replaced every 50K kilometres. Worked very well.

Cant do it any more, new 4x4 uses multigrade throughout.

I remember reading one of my saw manuals - said you could use a single grade (no viscosity specified) as bar oil
 
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I run 80/90 wt oil because it's free for me.
I work for a crane manufacturer and if a bucket comes in from a job with an open cap they dispose of it which cost money.

I get it for free.Been using it in the CS400 for 13 years with no issues.Im sure the thicker red sticky oil is better though
 
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I run 80/90 wt oil because it's free for me.
I work for a crane manufacturer and if a bucket comes in from a job with an open cap they dispose of it which cost money.

I get it for free.Been using it in the CS400 for 13 years with no issues.Im sure the thicker red sticky oil is better though

I run 80/90 wt oil because it's free for me.
I work for a crane manufacturer and if a bucket comes in from a job with an open cap they dispose of it which cost money.

I get it for free.Been using it in the CS400 for 13 years with no issues.Im sure the thicker red sticky oil is better though
I would hate to have gear oil sprayed all over the place given what it smells like.
I have used hydro fluid when in a pinch.
 

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Not a fan of waste motor oil for all the previously mentioned reasons as well as the fact that some of my saws are a tad incontinent & leaving a puddle of clean oil is bad enough!
That said I have disposed of clean used oil from the likes of gear boxes & compressors by adding it to my bar lube at about 10 to 1. Can't see that causing any issues but I'm happy to be educated if there's anything I might be missing
 
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Just about anything will be fine, as far as the bar and chain are concerned. I've run gallons and gallons of plain veggie oil with no issue. If it didn't gum up bar and chain, that's what I'd use full time.
 
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