Wood Burner Survey...We Need You!

sean donato

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Another crooked 3 letter organization in my book, but I appreciate you doing what you can.
I agree, a lot of the newer wood furnaces I was looking at are no longer made and a few of the companies are no longer in business or the prices have risen. I don't like my current furnace, but be darned if I'm dropping $6k on an epa stove that doesn't heat the house any better then what I've got.
 
chipper1

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I agree, a lot of the newer wood furnaces I was looking at are no longer made and a few of the companies are no longer in business or the prices have risen. I don't like my current furnace, but be darned if I'm dropping $6k on an epa stove that doesn't heat the house any better then what I've got.
Yep.
Much like the cash for clunkers, throw away something good to get junk that wears out quickly, sure that's good for the long term economy/ environment :nofunny:.
When I was driving truck the trucks we drive got 4.9-5.0 mpg, looking purely at that number it would make most people's head spin. Take into consideration that I was hauling equivalent to 2 loads(100k) on the deck of a 50k truck with 8 axles, and it doesn't sound so bad. Similarly the way numbers are counted today is obviously done by those who were taught core curriculum, there are holes large enough in their assumptions that your could drive those trucks thru.
 

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Good shake up or bad?
The EPA is developing a new test method, called a FEDERAL REFERENCE METHOD (FRM). They are looking at piece size, piece shape, bark, loading densities etc. All questions that were in the survey. It should be noted the team developing the FRM are extremely interested in data so as to build a method that most accurately represents real world usage. I know all of the staff and have worked along side them for 20+ years. They do not want a method based upon suppositions.
 
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Stove regulations are one of the good things that have come out of the EPA. My EPA stove doesn't smoke much on a cold start and does not smoke at all once it's going. When I get the pipe cleaned they remark on how clean it is for the amount of wood I burned. The stuff that would be in the smoke and pipe is getting burned, so I get more heat. It's not a cat stove either, so there's no added maintenance. It does need dry wood, but that just requires planning ahead.

@bkvp, thanks for gathering the data so the tests can be more accurate. The older test using 2x4s and 4x4s looked like it might not be so representative of what real people burn.
 
Brufab

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Anyone have the pleasant hearth stoves from tractor supply??? Says made in the USA will need a wood stove in the next couple months for a new build. All these other stoves like lopi and jotel are 4-5k
 

bkvp

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Stove regulations are one of the good things that have come out of the EPA. My EPA stove doesn't smoke much on a cold start and does not smoke at all once it's going. When I get the pipe cleaned they remark on how clean it is for the amount of wood I burned. The stuff that would be in the smoke and pipe is getting burned, so I get more heat. It's not a cat stove either, so there's no added maintenance. It does need dry wood, but that just requires planning ahead.

@bkvp, thanks for gathering the data so the tests can be more accurate. The older test using 2x4s and 4x4s looked like it might not be so representative of what real people burn.
The method was never intended to represent emissions from real world burning. The OM7 method (crib fuel) was developed so one stoves performance could be compared to another stoves performance. This method reduce significantly variability. New cord wood methods will not allow consumers to compare stoves, but instead, regulators will know how a particular stove burns on a very limited number of wood species. Ideally, the method would combine the two, but EPA will not bend on this matter.
 
Brufab

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I burn about 6-7 different types of wood all in different stages of seasoning some like popple range from kinda punky to cut 6 months ago some ash is dead others 6-24moths old in the pile. Gonna buy this pleasant hearth stove because it's non catalytic. These catalytic wood stoves are big$$$$8
 

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