Bowtie
Gearhead
Brad I thought you werent doing saw work for a while anyways?
Wiseco piston update from Baileys
- Thread starter blsnelling
- Start date
Help Support Arborist Forum:
indiansprings
Firewood Purveyor
From Bailey's perspective this is one of the most ludicrous methods in product testing I have ever come across. If Baileys truly want these tested in a manner that made sense, they would furnish three or four saws to logging companies in the PNW with the pistons installed and three or four with the factory oem setup to use as a baseline, ask the logging companies to log their hours to a pre-determined level and then have a mechanical engineer do a comparison on the baseline stock compared to the wiseco's. You do not have a home modder (no disrespect to Brad) do a true product analysis. A person would have to be out of there mind to participate in this. What's the report going to say looks good, what about all the technical and metallurgical aspects, good god, have to send your saw back for tear down and review, it's nuts.
Baileys has no clue their exposure on liability as well as Brad, as a buyer and former divisional and EVP for one of the largest outdoor suppliers in the US been down the product testing road thousands of times and this is far from how you conduct it. Sheer ignorance on Baileys part. Hell, we routinely paid 1500.00 to 2500.00 to have consumer test labs test every item sold as well as provided customers units free of charge to use and abuse and then pick them up to see if actual use paralleled the lab findings.
Someone's on the hook for a saw unless a release is signed, even though Baileys would probably make it good, Brad would be on the hook, IMHO and legal experience. Not a good idea!
Baileys has no clue their exposure on liability as well as Brad, as a buyer and former divisional and EVP for one of the largest outdoor suppliers in the US been down the product testing road thousands of times and this is far from how you conduct it. Sheer ignorance on Baileys part. Hell, we routinely paid 1500.00 to 2500.00 to have consumer test labs test every item sold as well as provided customers units free of charge to use and abuse and then pick them up to see if actual use paralleled the lab findings.
Someone's on the hook for a saw unless a release is signed, even though Baileys would probably make it good, Brad would be on the hook, IMHO and legal experience. Not a good idea!
Stihl088stock
ArboristSite Guru
I meant testing as in removing the piston to examine...
Tom, I take it you're bored tonight and have nothing else to do. You're blowing this so far out of proportion it's not funny. I have absolutely nothing in these except for the $50 I asked for to make it worth my time doing the piston swap. If you're just looking for a good tussle, which is pretty obvious, well, I'm not in the mood tonight. You'll have to settle that with Demi.:greenchainsaw:
cpr
Addicted to ArboristSite
Wow.
Went to the kitchen for an hour to slap some Drake's battermix on pork chops and enjoy supper with the kids and I come back to find out I'm not the only one cookin'.
opcorn:opcorn:opcorn:
Went to the kitchen for an hour to slap some Drake's battermix on pork chops and enjoy supper with the kids and I come back to find out I'm not the only one cookin'.
opcorn:opcorn:opcorn:
Stumpys Customs
Stumpbroke
It's threads like this that give forums bad reputations. you guys need to quit stinkin up the place. I know most of it is in good fun but give Brad a break. To much negativity. Everybody needs to take a break and go play with your saws and get in a better mood.
indiansprings
Firewood Purveyor
Not dinging Brad at all, but I'm disappointed in the way Baileys conduct's their engine component test, no wonder it has taken so long to get the BB kits right.
If this is how they developed their kits, which I have no way of knowing it's a wonder they have had this good of results. It's what the professional mechanical engineers at Stihl and Husky get paid for and their are plently of independent quality labs in both the USA and China. Brad is just doing what Baileys ask of him.
If this is how they developed their kits, which I have no way of knowing it's a wonder they have had this good of results. It's what the professional mechanical engineers at Stihl and Husky get paid for and their are plently of independent quality labs in both the USA and China. Brad is just doing what Baileys ask of him.
Does Wiseco make a piston for the 056 Mag 2? I think it is 56 mm across.
pinemartin
tightwad
It would be cool if Baileys sent out a set number of pistons for free to several people for testing instead of shipping a saw back and forth and hoping it makes it past the UPS handling. If this is a possibility (Greg) I will take a 52mm piston for my ms460 and I will take pictures of install and pictures after 100 hours or so (about 10 weeks) of use.
This is a test, your saw is a guinea pig. A test to see if the pistons are any good...........WHAT IF THEY ARE NOT??? :monkey: What if your saw performs better with the OEM??? Then your out at least $100, and your saw runs worse. Great test! The only way this would work is like Ultra mentioned, you will need to live close to his house (no shipping), then have a saw that is actually needing a piston that you could not install yourself. I know Wiseco is a great brand...... BUT what if???? If Baileys wants to test, they should pay Brads labor, and the saw owners shipping. Yea, probably won't happen..... but this test probably won't either!
Bowtie
Gearhead
50 labor is profit, so its not a "no profit proposal". I charge a certain price for my time above parts, but ya cant advertise no profit when you are paying yourself for labor.
Its just a bad idea Brad, Im not trying to slam you or discredit, its just a bad idea, and I dont see too many intelligent people sending a good running pro saw to gain a piston, and paying 50 bucks plus shipping x2.
If Baileys wants people to test pistons, maybe send them to people that agree to take pics, log run time and conditions, etc. (On their own saw)
I would do that, but no way Im going for your deal. Its a losing proposition for the saw owner.
Its just a bad idea Brad, Im not trying to slam you or discredit, its just a bad idea, and I dont see too many intelligent people sending a good running pro saw to gain a piston, and paying 50 bucks plus shipping x2.
If Baileys wants people to test pistons, maybe send them to people that agree to take pics, log run time and conditions, etc. (On their own saw)
I would do that, but no way Im going for your deal. Its a losing proposition for the saw owner.
Stihl088stock
ArboristSite Guru
This is a test, your saw is a guinea pig. A test to see if the pistons are any good...........WHAT IF THEY ARE NOT??? :monkey: What if your saw performs better with the OEM??? Then your out at least $100, and your saw runs worse. Great test! The only way this would work is like Ultra mentioned, you will need to live close to his house (no shipping), then have a saw that is actually needing a piston that you could not install yourself. I know Wiseco is a great brand...... BUT what if???? If Baileys wants to test, they should pay Brads labor, and the saw owners shipping. Yea, probably won't happen..... but this test probably won't either!
Then that is the expense of a FREE piston... Please read ALL the posts...
stihlboy
Guess who's back
Thank you! At least somebody gets it
you think a wiseco could pull that 64'' bar on my stock bore 066?
i'd run my 24'' on it mainly
im willing to run my 066 for atleast 8 hours a day, i have alot of cutting that i need to do
.let me know
Last edited:
I'd be giddy if they made a 56mm domed piston for the 056 Mag II with dual 1mm rings...
Yeah, no kidding. I found an OEM on eslay for about 50 dollars a while back, pure luck I happened on it. Otherwise NLA. Not domed, I don't think.
THALL10326
The Champ
Brad I am not bored at all, in fact I'm quite frisky. All I have done is called you out on that insane offer you put up. No your not in the mood and I know and you know why. Since I am so frisky I'll ask you one simple question, you answer it honestly and I won't bother you at all. What makes you quailfied to test a piston, anything, you got some background, some factory knowledge, a certification by a piston manufacture, have you got anything to show us your testing methods are the approved standard? Answer yes or no, if the answer is yes, please come forward and explain, if the answer is no thats fine too but its only fair your customers know your certifications in the testing feild.
Sir if Bailey's wanted to test pistons out. Why wouldn't they just offer the pistons FREE to the end user to install in their own saws and give feedback after a lot use. No middle man making $50 a chainsaw is required. I think this whole thread is just as Thall states. A BS scheme, get it bs 
.
If you read through the old threads here from years past this was how it was done by all the other people offering up pistons to test.
. If you read through the old threads here from years past this was how it was done by all the other people offering up pistons to test.
Gumnuts
ArboristSite Guru
- Joined
- Aug 4, 2007
- Messages
- 841
- Reaction score
- 136
IndianSprings -
As far as metalurgical content ,i for one have faith, Wiseco do have a handle on content for specific application> i do not have the specifics on hand but spoke to them in Australia and US last year.
ALSO their quality control is proven.
As for Baileys..... they have a track record of standing behind their product.
IMPORTANTLY ,you mentioned other testing,in field duration testing ,with a logging company......I don't believe Baileys ,in the past, have limited their testing to one person.
Personnally speaking , i believe it is a smart move to have Brad involved .Ihe offer smacks of integrity .
I do not discredit what your experience is ....just adding to it.
As far as metalurgical content ,i for one have faith, Wiseco do have a handle on content for specific application> i do not have the specifics on hand but spoke to them in Australia and US last year.
ALSO their quality control is proven.
As for Baileys..... they have a track record of standing behind their product.
IMPORTANTLY ,you mentioned other testing,in field duration testing ,with a logging company......I don't believe Baileys ,in the past, have limited their testing to one person.
Personnally speaking , i believe it is a smart move to have Brad involved .Ihe offer smacks of integrity .
I do not discredit what your experience is ....just adding to it.
Last edited:
I'm in awe that Bailey's would be silly enough to use this approach to test any new product. I hope they are allowing a little more clearance for the forged piston. Good way to junk a jug.
