Wiseco piston update from Baileys
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Whats your deal Lucille? Wishing Dolmars were popular enough for a new shiny trendy piston? :jester:
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Don't need one and definitely not for this deal....You big heel.
Heel? lol I hear ya. Just messin with ya on Dolmars, I like em too. Hell I like all saws that make chips in a reliable fashion.
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Fact. Brads idea was a bad idea, really bad IMHO.
Fact. Some want Brad gone so he's no longer a threat to them. These people typically have small and insignificant genitalia.
Fact. People who are not popular, hate people that are.
Fact. A man would have taken brads apoligy for what it is, and moved on. Children however are narcissistic, and want all the attention. Narcissistic people often have unconscious deficits in self-esteem.
Fact. Some want Brad gone so he's no longer a threat to them. These people typically have small and insignificant genitalia.
Fact. People who are not popular, hate people that are.
Fact. A man would have taken brads apoligy for what it is, and moved on. Children however are narcissistic, and want all the attention. Narcissistic people often have unconscious deficits in self-esteem.
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Brad does what some of us wish we could!
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I bet 90% of the people that have posted in this thread (or even AS as a whole) don't use saws enough to give a good evaluation of the performance, longevity, etc. of wiseco pistons anyhow (including me) in a timely manner. IMO if baileys really wants to test these, they need to do their testing in house or else put them into hands of people that use their saws to make a living. These are the users that put a substantial number of hours day in and day out. The price of these pistons aren't far off OEM pricewise so the consumer should be expecting equal or higher quality than OEM. These aren't at a pricepoint that the consumer should be expecting to deal with issues or being test guinea pigs.
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I'd like to know more about the pistons. I have a good shape good running 044 that feels like it could maybe have more compression. It runs well enough I haven't considered putting new rings in it yet but an oem quality piston and rings professionally installed for around $100 is a lot better than any of the local shops would offer. I would definitely consider it if it was more or less an end user field test for customer satisfaction as opposed to a test of an uncertain product...
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Allow me to speculate wildly
I don't think Bailey's intention was to do testing, I think all the testing was done before Bailey's agreed to sell this product. My guess is that Bailey's wanted some word of mouth advertising. I bet they figured that if they got one of the most stand up guys on Arborist site to install some of these (likely awesome) pistons they would create a buzz while building their brand.
It isn't an accident they chose Brad:
1. he is very representative of a chainsaw nut;
2. he knows what he is doing and insists on doing it well;
3. he is willing to teach people how to do things; and
4. he is very willing to help people.
Its too bad this didn't work out and instead this thread got completely out of whack. I have seen more high and mighty today than I cared to. Some people brought up fair points and didn't attack anyone, but some of you jackals really showed the quality of your character.
None of you all had anything crappy to say to Brad during the BIL thread- why didn't you call him a swindler then?
I don't think Bailey's intention was to do testing, I think all the testing was done before Bailey's agreed to sell this product. My guess is that Bailey's wanted some word of mouth advertising. I bet they figured that if they got one of the most stand up guys on Arborist site to install some of these (likely awesome) pistons they would create a buzz while building their brand.
It isn't an accident they chose Brad:
1. he is very representative of a chainsaw nut;
2. he knows what he is doing and insists on doing it well;
3. he is willing to teach people how to do things; and
4. he is very willing to help people.
Its too bad this didn't work out and instead this thread got completely out of whack. I have seen more high and mighty today than I cared to. Some people brought up fair points and didn't attack anyone, but some of you jackals really showed the quality of your character.
None of you all had anything crappy to say to Brad during the BIL thread- why didn't you call him a swindler then?
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I'm not going to say I agree or disagree with what brad's proposition in this thread is, but I think another fact is. Brad has probably made more transactions on AS than most of us posting in this thread. However, I have yet to see anyone publicly say that they felt shortchanged with his work, sale of parts, etc.
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Wiseco have always had the reputation of producing high quality pistons, but I don't see the need for them as a replacement for the OEM or even a Meteor at less than the third of the price in a chainsaw.
What is the expected benefit of fitting a Wiseco over others?
I would assume being of a higher density there would be possibly less skirt wear, but in a well cared for saw getting low on compression usually has a healthy piston.
At the price, I don't see the need for anything beyond a Meteor.
What is the expected benefit of fitting a Wiseco over others?
I would assume being of a higher density there would be possibly less skirt wear, but in a well cared for saw getting low on compression usually has a healthy piston.
At the price, I don't see the need for anything beyond a Meteor.
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A lot of time involved???? 30 minutes at the most to slap a piston in any pro model saw.
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I would agree with some of that. A plan gone awry.
Wild speculation is to be saved exclussively for Dolmar 5100 threads. Hopefully he can get some pistons in some saws. I hope this was not an attempt at word of mouth advertising on Bailey's behalf, they have been around the block enough times to know better. I really really hope that these pistons have already had some actual field testing done. Product testing on the general public possessions is best left to the FDA, military and politicians as they specialize in making you pay to test their products.
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It does make you wonder what the intended market is. They are some pricey pistons.
I went to school with her. Jenna Taylia was a real sweetheart. Loved to play "doctor." I think she applied to medical school.
Her best friend an Italian girl named Anna Maria Spermatozoa, well, she was something else entirely............
The human condition is at the same time both entertaining and disheartening.
The unconscious deficits part scares me.
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and then we all sit around wondering why helpful people leave the site....
and then we all sit around wondering why helpful people leave the site....
whatever, it is a silly thread. Silly as in watching people get upset over nothing.
Something about getting one's RDA of arguing and bickering.
Why don't we just get this thread back on track, the way Brad intended it.
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Shessh, what a bun-fight. Let it go already. This is illustrative of why I no longer want to deal with the public.
Re: the Wiseco pistons, I remember way back when (and it may still be true) that Wiseco would make up a blank and then turn various size pistons off of that blank. You could have a blank made up for a 50mm piston that would also be used for a 52mm piston - the result was a very thick piston skirt.
I never used a Wiseco as I always thought they were too heavy. The stock Japanese pistons I used were very good quality castings and with a very high silicon content.
That said, if Wiseco made up some dome pistons for saws they probably have to put on help to keep up with the demand. The dome piston concept would also be consistent with a 'forged racing piston to handle the extra stress' marketing approach.
Wiseco should step back from the replacement for OEM market (which looks saturated with less expensive pistons) and look at producing some aftermarket hop-up pistons. Heck, as long as they are turning the pistons down they could easily put a dome on them. There would be very little work involved, but they could create their own market (with no competitors) with just a change in tooling.
I'm wondering how many people on this board would buy a 'high compression forged piston' from Wiseco if it was offered. I know I would have to try one.
Shessh, what a bun-fight. Let it go already. This is illustrative of why I no longer want to deal with the public.
Re: the Wiseco pistons, I remember way back when (and it may still be true) that Wiseco would make up a blank and then turn various size pistons off of that blank. You could have a blank made up for a 50mm piston that would also be used for a 52mm piston - the result was a very thick piston skirt.
I never used a Wiseco as I always thought they were too heavy. The stock Japanese pistons I used were very good quality castings and with a very high silicon content.
That said, if Wiseco made up some dome pistons for saws they probably have to put on help to keep up with the demand. The dome piston concept would also be consistent with a 'forged racing piston to handle the extra stress' marketing approach.
Wiseco should step back from the replacement for OEM market (which looks saturated with less expensive pistons) and look at producing some aftermarket hop-up pistons. Heck, as long as they are turning the pistons down they could easily put a dome on them. There would be very little work involved, but they could create their own market (with no competitors) with just a change in tooling.
I'm wondering how many people on this board would buy a 'high compression forged piston' from Wiseco if it was offered. I know I would have to try one.
