A coversation with the Sheriff

[alderman]

I sold a pickup load of firewood this morning. The sheriff pulled him over and then called to verify that he got the wood from me. He then proceeded to read me the riot act for not giving the guy a permit. So now I know a permit is required to transport firewood products.

The question I have is whether I have to write myself a permit to transport my own firewood?

Big brother is watching.

 

[smilin possum]

That sucks real bad. I don't know if they do that here or not. If they do guilty as charged a lot of times.

 

[banshee67]

I sold a pickup load of firewood this morning. The sheriff pulled him over and then called to verify that he got the wood from me. He then proceeded to read me the riot act for not giving the guy a permit. So now I know a permit is required to transport firewood products.

The question I have is whether I have to write myself a permit to transport my own firewood?

Big brother is watching.

sounds like the guys a narc!!
next time make it clear : "if you get stopped by the law, you didnt get this wood from me, got that!".
have a big saw in your hand idling as you say it so he knows you mean it!

 

[danrclem]

When you talk to the sheriff start of by saying, "Listen here Barney" and everything else will fall into place.

 

[dimer11]

I don't know about Oregon but here in Idaho you have to have a permit if your the one cutting it down in the forest. Once you get it to your house it yours. So if you sell it you have to give the guy a bill of sale to show the transfer of ownership. Its normally the forest service that cares about that stuff and not the local or state pd. I would call the local forest service to see what they want you to do.

 

[Oldtimer]

I'd have told him to go make love to his own touch-hole.
Sounds to me like in Oregon, you're GUILTY of a crime until you can convince the dooooosh bag cops otherwise.
The idea of being stopped by a sheriff because I have wood on my truck is absurd in the extreme.

 

[sunfish]

Glad we don't have that here, but I live in the middle of no-where...

 

[mtngun]

Sounds to me like in Oregon, you're GUILTY of a crime until you can convince the dooooosh bag cops otherwise.
The idea of being stopped by a sheriff because I have wood on my truck is absurd in the extreme.

No different than the requirement to tag an elk. If the sheriff pulls you over for a broken taillight and sees an untagged elk in the back of your truck, you be needing a lawyer.

I would guess that around 75% of the woodcutters here are "poaching" wood -- cutting on public land without a permit -- so you can't blame the regulators for cracking down. If people would just buy the lousy permit ......

Dimer11, I'm not aware of any Idaho statute requiring wood in transport to be tagged or have papers, but I could be wrong. The main thing is getting a permit to cut on public land. If you are caught hauling load of wood across public land, without a permit, you have to admit it does look suspicious.

I've heard Canada has some fussy rules about transporting/possessing wood, or logs, anyway.

 

[chopperfreak2k1]

I would call the local forest service to see what they want you to do.

:agree2:

 

[SpiralAcacia]

Well, here in this wild part of the mid-east if you get caught transporting wood w/out permit you are in deep deep manure...
Most of the land is owned by authorities and almost ALL of the trees are forestry and the little amount which is wild growth is Nature Reserves.
They can get you off your wheels and you will not get it back. like dat.
+ you will get taken to court, too.

Well look on the bright side: they don't chop your hands off or stone you to death here for fornicating, ha ha, so you can cheat on your wife still.
But don't go cutting trees w/out permit!!!

Actually I don't complain, cause in this hard hard land you won't have any trees left otherwise.

SA

ps
I'm not for cheating on the wife, hey!

 

[fishercat]

you could always tell the sherriff....

You're delivering it to his house.his wife called you because she hadn't seen any hardwood in ages.

 

[rattler362]

That sucks real bad. I don't know if they do that here or not. If they do guilty as charged a lot of times.

Around here if you cut on forest service land you have to have a permit for dead&down wood but that is all i know of if you do need such a permit i am in the boat with you cause i have hauled alot.

 

[poorboypaul]

You're delivering it to his house.his wife called you because she hadn't seen any hardwood in ages.

That was funny right there, I don't care who you are!!:greenchainsaw:

 

[Haywire Haywood]

I would guess that around 75% of the woodcutters here are "poaching" wood -- cutting on public land without a permit

And 93% of all statistics are made up on the spot, usually smelling like dung because of where they were pulled from.

Ian

 

[teatersroad]

I can't find a state reg. for firewood transport permits, excepting for wood taken from public lands (as is well known). I live on forest service boundary but cut and haul from private, always expecting a courtesy pullover. They might like to know where it came from, but I don't know that you are obliged by regulations to permit it.

 

[UnConundrum]

I'm not from Oregon, but figured I'd do a little research. There do seem to be some regulations on private woodlands too...

http://www.oregon.gov/ODF/privateforests/fpaKeys.shtml

 

[teatersroad]

Aware of those regs., for my work they apply to private lands in what is called ODF protection. I deal with the fire regs mostly. Record rainfalls this Sept, and I think we are still in 1pm shutdown in ODF protected private lands. There is a wildfire burning about thirty miles from me though.

I'll have to look closely to see anything about firewood transport. Haven't seen it yet. There or ODOT.

edit> looks like we came off ODF IPL II (hootowl) friday.

 

[sawkiller]

The three things to tell the police and all these things should be stated as politely and respectfully as possible while still maintaining and ascerting your rights!

#1. "Officer, am I being detained?" If he says no simply leave
#2. "Officer, I do not consent to any searches!" This is your right and you do not have to prove your innocence by allowing a search.
#3. "Officer, I am happy to cooperate but will simply remain silent until I speak with my attorney." This is another right you have.

These were from an attorney friend of mine and I will say these 3 simple statments will allow you to keep an officer in check while at the same time not escalating a situation with disrespect.

 

[mtngun]

And 93% of all statistics are made up on the spot, usually smelling like dung because of where they were pulled from.

Ian

Based on what I see with my own eyes and what locals tell me about their woodcutting activities.

Just stating the facts.

How's life been treating you, Ian ? Anything new your way ?

 

[Spotted Owl]

According to the OSP trooper that pulled me over two winters ago you need a permit to haul your own wood. It was about 4:30 on my way into the shop in the snow, freezing rain and ice, I stacked up some less than seasoned split wood in the back for traction weight. On my way into town I was pulled over for no plate light. A fix it ticket for the light and a written warning for no permit to haul wood over a certain amount. I don't recall exactly what that amount was so I will not guess. I told him that it was wood from home and had been processed for some time he didn't care and said next time it would be a ticket.

This seems to be a grey area. I called the Sheriff and OSP and was told it was officer interpretation by one, and said that you only need a permit to transport harvested unprocessed forest product from public ground issued by the over seeing agency by the other. Neither could point me to a law to look up to get my own clarification.

If you sold the wood a receipt should be permit/proof enough that the wood had not bee stolen or "poached" and that everything is legal. Of coarse no saw, gas or tools of any kind should be a big clue that the wood was not "poached".

If you do find the law in writing anyplace please let me know I would like to see it.



Owl