Should I start a business????

[the Aerialist]

... Jeff climbed for many years before he went into managment... I believe...

Well what the hell is he doing criticizing a climber if he is not a climber himself?

 

[the Aerialist]

This is me in my office

 

[treeslayer]

Well what the hell is he doing criticizing a climber if he is not a climber himself?

stop showing your ass, he's paid his dues, and he knows his ####.

do a search on him and read his posts, go to urban care's website, but watch your mouth talking blindly, you sound like one of them teenage wannabe's.

do your research before you slam an oldtimer on here, you ain't there yet.:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[jefflovstrom]

Well yes, there are plenty of paper trained arborists who would piddle all over themselves if they actually had to climb a tree. The closest most of them get is in the bucket of a power company truck.

Not that I am denigrating the profession of "Arborist", but if you can't climb a tree you don't deserve to call yourself one.

Arborist at work: (I believe it's Jeff)

You believe wrong. I climbed for 28 years before I became an arborist.
Jeff

 

[the Aerialist]

Teenage Wannabe? I'm 63 and still climbing ...

stop showing your ass, he's paid his dues, and he knows his ####.

do a search on him and read his posts, go to urban care's website, but watch your mouth talking blindly, you sound like one of them teenage wannabe's.

do your research before you slam an oldtimer on here, you ain't there yet.:hmm3grin2orange:

You walk in a bar you've never been in before and before you even get a drink one of the regulars slaps you in the face. What would you do?

I'm not talking blindly, I've been attacked by a guy I don't know and for no reason. If there's an @ss here it isn't me. If that's how the "regulars" are on this forum then I'm in the wrong place.

And I'll ask again, why the hell is someone who's not a climber criticizing someone who is? He's the one that should watch his mouth.

 

[jefflovstrom]

You walk in a bar you've never been in before and before you even get a drink one of the regulars slaps you in the face. What would you do?

I'm not talking blindly, I've been attacked by a guy I don't know and for no reason. If there's an @ss here it isn't me. If that's how the "regulars" are on this forum then I'm in the wrong place.

And I'll ask again, why the hell is someone who's not a climber criticizing someone who is? He's the one that should watch his mouth.

If I attacked you, I did not realize it. I asked a question. Did not realize you had such thin skin. If you feel offended, sorry. I will remember to be nice. Go back and read where I attacked you. I could not find it.
Jeff

 

[lxt]

You walk in a bar you've never been in before and before you even get a drink one of the regulars slaps you in the face. What would you do?

I'm not talking blindly, I've been attacked by a guy I don't know and for no reason. If there's an @ss here it isn't me. If that's how the "regulars" are on this forum then I'm in the wrong place.

And I'll ask again, why the hell is someone who's not a climber criticizing someone who is? He's the one that should watch his mouth.

You are talking about someone "not being a climber" I see in your pic above a set of spikes on as you`re descending......its clear from the pic that you didnt remove the tree....so are we a spike trimmer?


LXT.............

 

[the Aerialist]

You believe wrong. I climbed for 28 years before I became an arborist.
Jeff

Well Jeff, maybe we just got off on the wrong foot here, we are both "oldtimers" and we should both be acting our age. I didn't join this forum to play children's schoolyard games, but I don't like schoolyard bullies of any age.

I've taken you off of ignore at another members behest, we'll see how that works. Now is your time to say something nice to me and we can be friends

 

[the Aerialist]

I've been invited to a gang bang it seems ...

You are talking about someone "not being a climber" I see in your pic above a set of spikes on as you`re descending......its clear from the pic that you didnt remove the tree....so are we a spike trimmer?

Well I see it's dog pile time to defend your own. As it happens that tree was one of "Three Big Oaks" that were indeed turned into firewood due to damage that had that compromised their structural integrity.

Here is me at the base of that one:

And here is the series of shots on that day:

http://picasaweb.google.com/Aerial.Arborist.Service/ThreeBigOaks#

This is a video of care for a giant Red Oak tree, it may be instructional for you to watch it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnAWiu3-FWw

Would you care to offer an apology now?

 

[the Aerialist]

I just don't think I belong here ...

It occurs to me that this form is not much more than a tight click of uptight neurotic, insecure tree workers, that is if any of you do actually work in trees, as opposed to just throwing brickbats at any new arrivals.

If there is anyone who is interested in sharing knowledge as opposed to defending turf I sure hope you show up soon or I'm outa here. I know that one or two bad apples are to be found in any crowd, but it seems like a lynch mob mentality is pervasive here.

I'm going to fold my tent for today as I won't bother to defend myself at every post. You guys are a sweet group, enjoy yourselves...

 

[jefflovstrom]

It occurs to me that this form is not much more than a tight click of uptight neurotic, insecure tree workers, that is if any of you do actually work in trees, as opposed to just throwing brickbats at any new arrivals.

If there is anyone who is interested in sharing knowledge as opposed to defending turf I sure hope you show up soon or I'm outa here. I know that one or two bad apples are to be found in any crowd, but it seems like a lynch mob mentality is pervasive here.

I'm going to fold my tent for today as I won't bother to defend myself at every post. You guys are a sweet group, enjoy yourselves...

Hey, why don't you hang. You ain't the first guy to come on here and start to toot his horn and post a vid saying we could learn from you. Maybe we can, but most of us tree guys have tough skin and alot of good info comes out of being straight up and without worrying about someone's feeling's. Like you said, we got off on the wrong foot.
Jeff

 

[tree MDS]

It occurs to me that this form is not much more than a tight click of uptight neurotic, insecure tree workers, that is if any of you do actually work in trees, as opposed to just throwing brickbats at any new arrivals.

If there is anyone who is interested in sharing knowledge as opposed to defending turf I sure hope you show up soon or I'm outa here. I know that one or two bad apples are to be found in any crowd, but it seems like a lynch mob mentality is pervasive here.

I'm going to fold my tent for today as I won't bother to defend myself at every post. You guys are a sweet group, enjoy yourselves...

I haven't been following this thread very closely, but from what I've gathered, I think it would be nice to see you grow some skin and hang!

Hell.. we didn't even get a chance to disagree yet!

 

[HLC03]

hate to be a threadjacker but:

I live in South Eastern Pennsylvania. I was wondering what your opinions are on what a climber should be paid. Take into account that this would be a question from a guy who would eventually like to start a small business, just like the OP. I wanted to know what regular climbers, ground-dudes, and climbing foreman (you know your main climber) would get hourly in the eastern part of the country? Maybe you could provide wages for hourly to start, so on and so fourth.

Thanks guys,
Adam

 

[tree md]

And... Who gives a ####... We all do the same dude. All I'm saying is do some homework chompy...

 

[tree md]

You walk in a bar you've never been in before and before you even get a drink one of the regulars slaps you in the face. What would you do?

I'm not talking blindly, I've been attacked by a guy I don't know and for no reason. If there's an @ss here it isn't me. If that's how the "regulars" are on this forum then I'm in the wrong place.

And I'll ask again, why the hell is someone who's not a climber criticizing someone who is? He's the one that should watch his mouth.

Maybe you're in the wrong place ####head. You have yet to enlighten me with anything except that you fell into a tree service after a couple of years of work...

And if you feel you've been attacked, grow some bark, you are not sounding like a 63 year old man, you sound like some of the 20 something newbie prom queens around here.

Respect is earned.

 

[jefflovstrom]

:

hate to be a threadjacker but:

I live in South Eastern Pennsylvania. I was wondering what your opinions are on what a climber should be paid. Take into account that this would be a question from a guy who would eventually like to start a small business, just like the OP. I wanted to know what regular climbers, ground-dudes, and climbing foreman (you know your main climber) would get hourly in the eastern part of the country? Maybe you could provide wages for hourly to start, so on and so fourth.

Thanks guys,
Adam

I am biting my tongue!!!
Jeff

 

[the Aerialist]

Ok Jeff, now that we're "friends" ...

Hey, why don't you hang. You ain't the first guy to come on here and start to toot his horn and post a vid saying we could learn from you. Maybe we can, but most of us tree guys have tough skin and alot of good info comes out of being straight up and without worrying about someone's feeling's. Like you said, we got off on the wrong foot.
Jeff

I logged back in to answer your post Jeff.

I came back especially hard on you and that was out of line for a "newbee" I may have been climbing trees for 40+ years but I am new here and I should be more respectful (as should we all).

I'm logging off again after this but I hope you will review the posts I have made. Nowhere have I said anyone here could learn from me, I had hoped to learn things from you all. I'm especially interested in SRT and how I can add it to my bag of tricks for just one thing.

To all others here. Please take the time to read my posts, and the posts of all those who have responded to me and try to figure out where I am coming from. I will take up the gauntlet if I am slapped with one, but it's not why I came here. Decide if you want me to become a member of this forum or not.

Next time I log in it will be without harboring any grudges against any of you. I will be respectful and polite to all who afford me the same. Lets act like the professionals we aspire to be.

I learned this from Jeff

 

[tree md]

Err... ummm... Didn't read all the way through and see we are all making nice nice now...

Anyway, Who knows, maybe you'll teach me something...

What can I say, I'm still a 200T toting gun slinger at heart.

 

[jefflovstrom]

I logged back in to answer your post Jeff.

I came back especially hard on you and that was out of line.
Nowhere have I said anyone here could learn from me, I had hoped to learn things from you all. Decide if you want me to become a member of this forum or not. :

My skin is pretty thick, and those who test it mean well. We all do. Here is what I mean in a way. You deny saying we could learn from you. OK, the phrase was, " a red oak removal vid that you said could be "instructional". I don't know how to put it here, but it is Post #130 near the bottom.
I think you should stay, but that's up to you.
Jeff

 

[jefflovstrom]

Err... ummm... Didn't read all the way through and see we are all making nice nice now...

Anyway, Who knows, maybe you'll teach me something...

What can I say, I'm still a 200T toting gun slinger at heart.

Ha ha ha!! You the man!!! You just demonstrated the kindnest in a 'man-suit'!
Jeff