chrisjoyce
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So the 52mm would bolt on ok but give me a few more cc's?
So the 52mm would bolt on ok but give me a few more cc's?
There's nothing at all wrong with using starting fluid. Modern starting fluids have lubricants in the mixture, and do not harm 2 cycle engines.Another small word of advice...DON'T use starting fluid...drop alittle mixed gas in the carb
There's nothing at all wrong with using starting fluid. Modern starting fluids have lubricants in the mixture, and do not harm 2 cycle engines.If there is no fuel filter, you definitely have a carb problem.... Don't use starting fluid - you'll cook the piston/cylinder/ whatever.. Use mix.
It could also be impulse line, crank case seals, boot, etc.. but I'd bet on the carb... put a stihl fuel filter back on the hose after you clean out the carb and rebuild it.
It likely has a Bing carb. GREAT carb but incredibly expensive full kit from Stihl (nearly $50). Get an aftermarket kit ($6-12). It won't come with a needle (just use a big Walbro needle), and no metering arm, so don't mess up the one in the carb.
There's nothing at all wrong with using starting fluid. Modern starting fluids have lubricants in the mixture, and do not harm 2 cycle engines.
I wouldn't use starting fluid in place of gas (wouldn't run a tank of starting fluid through it), but using starting fluid to get an engine to fire doesn't hurt a damn thing.
I'd agree with you if this discussion was regarding the use of starting fluid as a fuel for "operating" a saw, but we're not talking about operating a saw, we're simply talking about getting one to fire, which again... Doesn't hurt a damn thing.Not nearly enough lubricants in starting fluid to keep up with high reving two strokes.
How about some new guy, new/old saw rep for the op.
By what methodology did you determine that these pistons were toasted specifically resulting from the use of starting fluid? I suppose you know what their precise condition was prior to the use of starting fluid huh? (I'm sure you'll come up with some obviously foolish reply). The likely answer to this is that you have absolutely no idea as to the condition of the pistion prior to the use of starting fluid, and are just assuming that starting fluid was the culprit. If starting fluid was the cause of any damage to the pistons in question here it was certainly due to someone using it in extreeeeeemely excessive amounts, and for prolonged periods of time, far beyond it's intended use.I have seen way too many saws with toasted pistons from trying to start them with starting fluid. You really should keep your fantasies to yourself before you cost someone money.
Oh, I'm a self employed small engine mechanic, what do you do?
By what methodology did you determine that these pistons were toasted specifically resulting from the use of starting fluid? I suppose you know what their precise condition was prior to the use of starting fluid huh? (I'm sure you'll come up with some obviously foolish reply). The likely answer to this is that you have absolutely no idea as to the condition of the pistion prior to the use of starting fluid, and are just assuming that starting fluid was the culprit. If starting fluid was the cause of any damage to the pistons in question here it was certainly due to someone using it in extreeeeeemely excessive amounts, and for prolonged periods of time, far beyond it's intended use.
Judging by your response you're obviously one of those people who are not perceptive at all, and who has an extremely limited ability to evaluate and comprehend sutuations and circumstances. You seem to be (I suppose it's possible that I could be wrong) the type of person who lacks the ability to discover things on their own, who takes an extremely simplistic approach to everything, and who is almost entirely dependent on the instruction of others.
You say you're a self employed small engines mechanic (which blows me away based on your naivety regarding this particular subject)... I myself do not work on small engines for a living, however, I have been an automotive mechanic for nearly 20 years, and have been building high performance, high dollar racecar engines, chassis', rearends, transmissions etc. etc. for over 10. And again, although I am not self employed, and do not work on small engines for a living, I am in fact a long time certified small engines mechanic (as I intended to go that route before I got into the automotive industry), and for the past 20 years, for hobby purposes and for friends and family, have built several 2 stroke powered hydroplanes, dirt bikes (as I am a rider), and hot saws for a cousin of mine who competes in timber carnivals, and have used starting fluid on all these types of engines countless times, and there has never been any signs of piston damage to any of them after tearing them down (with the exception of one of my buddy's boat engines that got some sand put in it by one of his neighbor's kids). I also know and have met countless others over the years who use starting fluid regularly on their 2 stroke engines, and none of them have any more problems with their equipment than anyone else.
Also, none of the sources cited in that wiki article make any mention whatsoever about the absence of lubricant in starting fluids. That was obviously just the false personal opinion of the author of that wiki. In fact, if you go now and directly check the sited sources and external links for that article the information you will find will be exactly contrary to the claim you made. Modern starting fluids DO have lubricants in the mixture (maybe starting fluids from 30 or 40 years ago did not). Just read the containers... Most of them state that they contain lubricants right on the label, and even the ones that don't display it on the label still contain lubricants (and you can go right to the manufacturers websites to find this out).
If some dumb ass uses excessive amounts of starting fluid for prolonged periods of time, of course that could lead to undesired results, but starting fluid ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT! damage a 2 cycle engine if used properly. The fact that you aren't aware of that should seriously give people second thoughts about using you as a mechanic. As I alluded to previously, it's obvious that you're very limited in your ability to process information, and that your incapable of differentiating between extreme and moderate circumstances.
I suppose it's possible that you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, without giving any real consideration to what you're actually saying, but if you truly believe that starting fluid, used properly, will damage a 2 cycle engine you've got some serious issues, even as an average enthusiast, and especially as a supposed small engines mechanic.
By what methodology did you determine that these pistons were toasted specifically resulting from the use of starting fluid? I suppose you know what their precise condition was prior to the use of starting fluid huh? (I'm sure you'll come up with some obviously foolish reply). The likely answer to this is that you have absolutely no idea as to the condition of the pistion prior to the use of starting fluid, and are just assuming that starting fluid was the culprit. If starting fluid was the cause of any damage to the pistons in question here it was certainly due to someone using it in extreeeeeemely excessive amounts, and for prolonged periods of time, far beyond it's intended use.
Judging by your response you're obviously one of those people who are not perceptive at all, and who has an extremely limited ability to evaluate and comprehend sutuations and circumstances. You seem to be (I suppose it's possible that I could be wrong) the type of person who lacks the ability to discover things on their own, who takes an extremely simplistic approach to everything, and who is almost entirely dependent on the instruction of others.
You say you're a self employed small engines mechanic (which blows me away based on your naivety regarding this particular subject)... I myself do not work on small engines for a living, however, I have been an automotive mechanic for nearly 20 years, and have been building high performance, high dollar racecar engines, chassis', rearends, transmissions etc. etc. for over 10. And again, although I am not self employed, and do not work on small engines for a living, I am in fact a long time certified small engines mechanic (as I intended to go that route before I got into the automotive industry), and for the past 20 years, for hobby purposes and for friends and family, have built several 2 stroke powered hydroplanes, dirt bikes (as I am a rider), and hot saws for a cousin of mine who competes in timber carnivals, and have used starting fluid on all these types of engines countless times, and there has never been any signs of piston damage to any of them after tearing them down (with the exception of one of my buddy's boat engines that got some sand put in it by one of his neighbor's kids). I also know and have met countless others over the years who use starting fluid regularly on their 2 stroke engines, and none of them have any more problems with their equipment than anyone else.
Also, none of the sources cited in that wiki article make any mention whatsoever about the absence of lubricant in starting fluids. That was obviously just the false personal opinion of the author of that wiki. In fact, if you go now and directly check the sited sources and external links for that article the information you will find will be exactly contrary to the claim you made. Modern starting fluids DO have lubricants in the mixture (maybe starting fluids from 30 or 40 years ago did not). Just read the containers... Most of them state that they contain lubricants right on the label, and even the ones that don't display it on the label still contain lubricants (and you can go right to the manufacturers websites to find this out).
If some dumb ass uses excessive amounts of starting fluid for prolonged periods of time, of course that could lead to undesired results, but starting fluid ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT! damage a 2 cycle engine if used properly. The fact that you aren't aware of that should seriously give people second thoughts about using you as a mechanic. As I alluded to previously, it's obvious that you're very limited in your ability to process information, and that your incapable of differentiating between extreme and moderate circumstances.
I suppose it's possible that you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, without giving any real consideration to what you're actually saying, but if you truly believe that starting fluid, used properly, will damage a 2 cycle engine you've got some serious issues, even as an average enthusiast, and especially as a supposed small engines mechanic.
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