Mastermind Meets The Echo CST-610EVL

[Dan_in_WI]

If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all!

No thread on ArboristSite is complete without SawTroll raining on someones parade. Well done my friend, well done. :msp_wink:

Let me see if I got this straight....

A guy who calls himself SawTroll....
Is trolling....
On an internet chainsaw forum...

Weird.

 

[LowVolt]

Let me see if I got this straight....

A guy who calls himself SawTroll....
Is trolling....
On an internet chainsaw forum...

Weird.

SawTroll is just being SawTroll, its all good. :msp_thumbsup:

 

[gmax]

I'd like to own a twin sometime, preferably a Solo but I wouldn't say no to an Echo, I never ran one so I can't comment on the quality or performance.

SawTroll, can I have a search through you dumpster sometime?... :msp_smile:

 

[Dan_in_WI]

SawTroll is just being SawTroll, its all good. :msp_thumbsup:

I though I said that.

 

[Warped5]

Let me see if I got this straight....

A guy who calls himself SawTroll....
Is trolling....
On an internet chainsaw forum...

Weird.

Dan ... howdy neighbor ... ST is cool ... he's our guy who points out how labels and material surfaces/structure throw off the linear axes and make the saws harder to operate .... :jester:


You can't BELIEVE how much a label throws off the operational balance of the machine!

 

[Dan_in_WI]

Dan ... howdy neighbor ... ST is cool ... he's our guy who points out how labels and material surfaces/structure throw off the linear axes and make the saws harder to operate .... :jester:


You can't BELIEVE how much a label throws off the operational balance of the machine!

A standard STIHL label weighs over 27 pounds.

I read it on the internet, so I know it's true.:jester:

 

[hdbill]

Saw troll might pi$$ some folks off but he just speaks his mind, I think he is cool and he is like a encylopedia of chainsaw information. lets just get back to the echo twin that just got pulled back out of the dumpster, I wanna see the videos

 

[SawTroll]

Let me see if I got this straight....

A guy who calls himself SawTroll....
Is trolling....
On an internet chainsaw forum...

Weird.

:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange: I actually was serious, it wasn't a joke this time! :msp_biggrin:

 

[SawTroll]

If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all!

No thread on ArboristSite is complete without SawTroll raining on someones parade. Well done my friend, well done. :msp_wink:

I just can't let people believe that crappy stuff is OK - simple as that (mostly)! :msp_wink:

 

[Dan_in_WI]

:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange: I actually was serious, it wasn't a joke this time! :msp_biggrin:

2 crank journals, 180 deg apart, no main journal between them, firing simultaneously, what could go wrong?

It's a neat engineering exercise, but not a durable machine in it's current form.

 

[SawTroll]

2 crank journals, 180 deg apart, no main journal between them, firing simultaneously, what could go wrong?

It's a neat engineering exercise, but not a durable machine in it's current form.

They didn't care to make the crank properly for two cylinders on that saw, or they didn't care enough about their custumers to do so.

No power either, at any rpm - Echo either don't know how to port a two-cycle, or they are too arrogant to care. They have even used clamshell style top ends on saws that they stated were professional models, like the 530! :msp_w00t::msp_rolleyes:

Add to that, design and ergonomics are outdated by some decades, not just years...

 

[parrisw]

I thought Sawtroll was being nice. I thought all Echo's were destined for the dumpster.

 

[hdbill]

I thought Sawtroll was being nice. I thought all Echo's were destined for the dumpster.

Thats some funny stuff right there

 

[Ambull]

They didn't care to make the crank properly for two cylinders on that saw, or they didn't care enough about their custumers to do so.

No power either, at any rpm - Echo either don't know how to port a two-cycle, or they are too arrogant to care. They have even used clamshell style top ends on saws that they stated were professional models, like the 530! :msp_w00t::msp_rolleyes:

Add to that, design and ergonomics are outdated by some decades, not just years...

Sawtroll is somewhat biased to Scandinavian saws. I have seen him crap all over Stihl as well.

I would agree with most of what you said here, but not all. The ergonomics are not behind at all on this saw. It is the smoothest running saw ever made, and very comfortable to operate. The adjust on the fly auto oiler is a really nice feature, and the idle can be adjusted on the fly without a tool.

I personally don't care for the Echo models with the side mounted carburetor. It is too hard to take out and service. The top mounted carbs, like on the 610, are a piece of cake to remove.

The 1001VL has a flaw in the starter. The flywheel fan is too flimsy, and can explode. I have two 1001's with exploded fans.

 

[nmurph]

Has the Echo twin ended up in a dumpster yet, where it belonged right out of the factory?

To put it into a way any of you who don't get Niko can understand-


That is a heavy, complex, low power-to-weight saw, whose engineers had too much time on their hands. It has no business in anyone's fleet, except maybe a collector's back closet.

 

[Mastermind]

I ran one today that just had the crank replaced the original got twisted, he kept the old crank and it did look a bit delicate.

Tim

This thread blew up.........

Go Niko.

Tim, I've been doing some reading on these things......looks like a bead of weld on the crank pins may be the fix......and the way the case is designed it can be done without splitting the cases. Discuss?????

What about that Niko? :msp_sneaky:

Anytime, anywhere, on any saw except a Husqvarna, we have come to expect to see SawTroll come in swinging. He's my friend though and I like his style.

 

[Majorpayne]

This thread blew up.........

Go Niko.

Tim, I've been doing some reading on these things......looks like a bead of weld on the crank pins may be the fix......and the way the case is designed it can be done without splitting the cases. Discuss?????

What about that Niko? :msp_sneaky:

Anytime, anywhere, on any saw except a Husqvarna, we have come to expect to see SawTroll come in swinging. He's my friend though and I like his style.

If it said Husqvarna on the side, Sawtroll would think it was an engineering marvel.

 

[barneyrb]

This thread blew up.........

Go Niko.

Tim, I've been doing some reading on these things......looks like a bead of weld on the crank pins may be the fix......and the way the case is designed it can be done without splitting the cases. Discuss?????

What about that Niko? :msp_sneaky:

Anytime, anywhere, on any saw except a Husqvarna, we have come to expect to see SawTroll come in swinging. He's my friend though and I like his style.

Two things about it, A) you will always know where he stands on an issue or saw, B) he is usually consistent. I do respect a man for that.

He did blow my mind the other day when he implied he would take the Poulan Pro 330 over the Stihl MS 290. Well, according to Niko everything is better than a 290.

 

[nmurph]

What about that Niko? :msp_sneaky:

Anytime, anywhere, on any saw except a Husqvarna, we have come to expect to see SawTroll come in swinging. He's my friend though and I like his style.

Randy, you will have to admit that Niko gives a less than tepid endorsement of the 200 and 400 series, though his bashing of the 400's is less fervent than the 1123 and 1127's.

 

[Scooterbum]

A bunch of crybaby newbies always picking at ST is getting old. Talk about a bunch of clueless idiots.

I guess they want everything sugar coated and don't dare say anything negative about a saw they may have. What a joke.

So if we only gave positive feedback that would destroy this forum.

ST just states his opinion, period. I admire that and always will. I think he adds balance.