bryanr2
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Hold up. So the 395 was already ported and the 661 was still stock? with only 7 seconds cut difference? WOW.
Mastermind Meets The MS661 C-M
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Mastermind
Work Saw Specialist
Glad to see you are paying attention. 
Sounds like you are trying to figure out how to add a 661
windthrown
361 Junkie
From what I read online in Europe last year, the 661s were developed and are being built in Germany. As such they tested them in Europe a lot more than they did here. Accordingly, there were a lot of 661 saws tested in places like Germany, the UK and Poland. As contrasted to the 362 which is made in VA and tested a lot more stateside. The test/prototype saws were all one-off saws as well, and like the 362 had some variations, whereas these released models are all the same from the production line. Dealers in Germany claim that the 661 duds are mainly overseas, but from what users are reporting in Germany, there are some saws that are duds there as well.
If its a cylinder mold or casting problem, that would make sense.
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Meh, it'll go back together easy. It would be interesting to see what kind of gains a muffler mod would produce. Not to mention the difference in exhaust sound.
Mastermind
Work Saw Specialist
Yeah, I'm gonna do that boss.
I don't think the muffler mod alone with do that much for it. I don't want to add extra outlets, and make it overly loud either....
True. The stock muffler is pretty good but it still sounds more like an oven timer going off than a real saw.
Mastermind
Work Saw Specialist
True. The stock muffler is pretty good but it still sounds more like an oven timer going off than a real saw.
We're gonna fix that.
Mtthwvn
ArboristSite Operative
So after you port the saw, are you going to have to take it to a stihl dealership and have it retuned or will it automatically adjust to the mods that have been done to it? I would have thought there would be decent gains from modding the muffler. I figured they would be pretty restrictive from the factory with all the new emissions laws
windthrown
361 Junkie
Are you serious? ...taking a MM modified saw to a Stihl dealer?
New laws imposed by the EPA state that if someone takes a modified saw to any dealer, the dealer has to restore said saws to its original condition. Several people have had that happen that removed the limiter tabs, even on saws that they take in to just get the chains sharpened on. The dealers replaced them with limiters with tabs on them.
Supposedly the computers on these saws auto-detect the mods and compensate for them. No need to get them re-adjusted at the dealership. Or ever tune them. Similar to taking them up and down in elevation, or getting a clogged muffler screen or air filter, or changing gas and oil mix.
bryanr2
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I wonder if the EPA has ever busted a saw shop for not putting the limiter caps back on a saw where they were removed? Set up a sting and catch those law breaking bastards. If I saw that memo come down the pipe it would instantly be headed to the trash. What a joke!
Maybe you need a ported laptop!
Mtthwvn
ArboristSite Operative
Ok, please pardon my ignorance lol.
I just didn't know how it was to be done. I didn't know that the dealerships were that strict on modified saws. I could understand voiding the warranty on a modified saw but I didn't know if their to be worked on by a dealership they have to take it back to the factory specs.
That would be like taking a car that has cherry bombs and headers on it to the dealership for an oil change and them having to put the factory exhaust manifolds and mufflers back on it, weather it was passing emissions or not.
I just didn't know how it was to be done. I didn't know that the dealerships were that strict on modified saws. I could understand voiding the warranty on a modified saw but I didn't know if their to be worked on by a dealership they have to take it back to the factory specs.
That would be like taking a car that has cherry bombs and headers on it to the dealership for an oil change and them having to put the factory exhaust manifolds and mufflers back on it, weather it was passing emissions or not.
At no point in any of my training from Stihl have I been told that I need to return a saw to stock because of the EPA. We were, however, warned heartily that the fines were steep if we modified the saw. The liability section was scary though, so every saw that comes into my place leaves with all it's warning stickers in place and safety features intact. Also, I will not accept a saw for repair that will leave with a non-functioning chain brake. I am FAR more scared of product liability lawyers than I am the EPA.
Till the moment you read how high the fines can be! As far as I remember someone mentioned >20000$! So I really believe that everyone is chitting their pants full of being caught! And then comes the liability crowd. "My modified saw ran so great, I thought that it would be no problem cutting down that humogous tree but in the wrong moment it let me down! The dealer didn't warn me in advance...."
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I know i am new here and don't understand some things and don't take this the wrong way but I don't think that the owner of this saw will ever take this saw back to the dealer. It's just like a few friends of mine they go out buy new trucks and first thing is to put new a/m turbo,injectors,intake,head studs ,programmer ,22in tires,4in lift so now they have a $50,000 truck with no warranty . Some people just like to play and I'm glad they can ,I can't lol can't Waite to see it done
Ironworker
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Nobody cares about dealers and warranty issues, start a new thread or something, now let's move on please.
