Wedge Stacking?

[northmanlogging]

who in their right mind still uses an 090 for production anyway? Also I'm pretty sure Bob started cutting before the 090 was introduced, back when Mc Cullach, and Homelight where the top dogs.

Before you jump to conclusions, I own one, it stays in the shed where it belongs. A 660 will out cut it daily and an 880 is cheaper to fix, not to mention faster and lighter.

Pretty much all timber will bust to Hel if you don't know what your doing, its not about what the tree can handle, its about not hitting stumps, boulder, knolls, cliffs, crummys or anything else that cause it to flex abruptly. I don't care if its tropical rain forest or high plains pine.

Still waiting.

 

[treeslayer2003]

bewildered, fyi most the guys your talking to have been in the woods 25+ years. some may have less years but are in the woods daily. pretty sure there are no hasbeens or newbies here. also there are guys here that cut every thing from coastal red wood to eastern hard wood. so the experience here is massive, you will have a hell of a time bull chitting your way out of absurd methods.

 

[Skeans]

who in their right mind still uses an 090 for production anyway? Also I'm pretty sure Bob started cutting before the 090 was introduced, back when Mc Cullach, and Homelight where the top dogs.

Before you jump to conclusions, I own one, it stays in the shed where it belongs. A 660 will out cut it daily and an 880 is cheaper to fix, not to mention faster and lighter.

Pretty much all timber will bust to Hel if you don't know what your doing, its not about what the tree can handle, its about not hitting stumps, boulder, knolls, cliffs, crummys or anything else that cause it to flex abruptly. I don't care if its tropical rain forest or high plains pine.

Still waiting.

Another thing is a 090 is slow with a short bar they don't shine till 5 foot bars or longer imo and even then they could use a rim sprocket with a larger rim. Exactly the with the wood but I'd still love to see him try it in our tall wood with a gust come up all of a sudden.

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[chucker]

it's more like deja-vu all over again or february 2nd "groundhog's day" all over again with this clowns story, never ending.....

 

[madhatte]

We get one of these every now and then. It's a welcome change from all the getting along we usually do around here.

 

[Slingblade]

I'ma thinking I'll start by being the first one to say what I know about "Wedge Stacking" wouldn't fill a thimble...But politics, well thats a whole different matter...In North America, mind numbing government regs are managing to cripple the forest industry on all fronts...From expensive and time consuming safety courses that our loggers and fallers must PAY FOR AND PASS, to rudimentary rules that cost companies thousands to implement and maintain, it's pretty obvious the bulk of that expense ends up falling directly on the working man's back!...No one wants to minimize or disregard safety, especially the guy in the trenches, but when you have a **** load of NON ELECTED officials and a bunch of spoiled environmentalists with misplaced values making up the rules you have to step back and question BOTH necessity and motive...When it comes to safety, I'll put my money on the person with years of "hands on" experience...There's a BIG PICTURE to consider and anyone who can't or won't answer a simple question is probably only seeing a very small part of that picture...

 

[137cc]

im just saying there is no good reason not to use the method where its recommended

Well there are plenty of "good" reasons to never use this garbage method. This method adds unecessary danger, so safety would be the first obvious reason. We actually care about our safety, that's why we don't pound wedges this way.

 

[Gologit]

it's more like deja-vu all over again or february 2nd "groundhog's day" all over again with this clowns story, never ending.....

You guys go ahead and argue with him. I'm putting him on IGNORE. Enough is enough.

 

[treeslayer2003]

Well there are plenty of "good" reasons to never use this garbage method. This method adds unecessary danger, so safety would be the first obvious reason. We actually care about our safety, that's why we don't pound wedges this way.

well yeah.........i mean we all are still here breathing and talking about this after alot of years doing this work. so obviously we don't know what we are doing

i think Bob has the right idea here.
137, sorry you have this BS to deal with on the job.

 

[Sagetown]

You guys go ahead and argue with him. I'm putting him on IGNORE. Enough is enough.

Life's too short ain't it.

 

[northmanlogging]

I'll see what he has to say about 090's then consider one of the best ignore options on the inter web.

 

[Bwildered]

Well there are plenty of "good" reasons to never use this garbage method. This method adds unecessary danger, so safety would be the first obvious reason. We actually care about our safety, that's why we don't pound wedges this way.

After aftre all this you still haven't asked your trainers why this method is better or safer, you're just wingeing to your like minded group with similar attitudes to different methods, man or girl up & tell them what your really think about their methods or tell them to shove their job if you really think it's that dangerous or demeaning to you. I'd be surprised if I'm the only one here that's done that!
Thanski

 

[Bwildered]

I'll see what he has to say about 090's then consider one of the best ignore options on the inter web.

I threw that in there seeing he liked the older methods & thought he'd be happy using an older saw.
Thansk

 

[northmanlogging]

and yer done, please stay safe, and try not to get killed.

 

[madhatte]

Yeah, an 090 is a particularly unpleasant machine to run. The A/V models are only slightly less so. Meanwhile, I'll be using the methods taught to me not by OSHA inspectors or high-dollar contract trainers but by fireline and timber fallers who know what works and what doesn't because they have already tried everything and don't have time to fart around. I'll do my part by passing this knowledge on to my crews. When I learn a new trick that works, I'll pass that on too. I won't pass on to my crews the flaky stuff that is a waste of time.

 

[JRoland]

I'm on that same job as the original poster. I hadn't heard of GOL before reading this thread either. We were shown this method the other day as well, while dealing with a big pine we were working on. I bored in the length of the wedge and it split out fairly easily while putting the wedge in to give the desired lift. We so far haven't had to really pound wedges, due to being able to pull the trees/ spars using our mechanical advantage ( every tree on the project over ten feet tall has to have a pull line in it at least 2/3 of the way up).
I also never knew the difference between felling wedges and bucking wedges, and it did make sense to me / us that since we did not have felling wedges on our crew it would make it less likely to spit the wedge out from the compartment we had created rather than plastic on plastic.
Some of the stuff I'm seeing is things I already knew about from seeing it in action, but just didn't have the terminology of it. Some of the techniques are new concepts to me though, it is definitely different from any job I've been on.
I figured why not bore in for the wedges, I'm not scared to bore cut ( we are bore cutting every tree) and we are not in a hurry to get trucks loaded / wood in the landing....

 

[bitzer]

I'm on that same job as the original poster. I hadn't heard of GOL before reading this thread either. We were shown this method the other day as well, while dealing with a big pine we were working on. I bored in the length of the wedge and it split out fairly easily while putting the wedge in to give the desired lift. We so far haven't had to really pound wedges, due to being able to pull the trees/ spars using our mechanical advantage ( every tree on the project over ten feet tall has to have a pull line in it at least 2/3 of the way up).
I also never knew the difference between felling wedges and bucking wedges, and it did make sense to me / us that since we did not have felling wedges on our crew it would make it less likely to spit the wedge out from the compartment we had created rather than plastic on plastic.
Some of the stuff I'm seeing is things I already knew about from seeing it in action, but just didn't have the terminology of it. Some of the techniques are new concepts to me though, it is definitely different from any job I've been on.
I figured why not bore in for the wedges, I'm not scared to bore cut ( we are bore cutting every tree) and we are not in a hurry to get trucks loaded / wood in the landing....

Is your background in tree service?

 

[bitzer]

After aftre all this you still haven't asked your trainers why this method is better or safer, you're just wingeing to your like minded group with similar attitudes to different methods, man or girl up & tell them what your really think about their methods or tell them to shove their job if you really think it's that dangerous or demeaning to you. I'd be surprised if I'm the only one here that's done that!
Thanski

Why is it better or safer? Wedges spitting out of the cut isn't it. I'm going to call you Reggie from now on cuz you won't give your name.

 

[chucker]

?? for what it's worth, I couldn't imagine having to rope a tree 11' tall(if you will pardon the miss use of " ' " as in stick high timber) or wedging a bush that my lawn mower can run over and chip out?? what a waste of time and gear to carry along. yet alone roping a 11' bush/brush 2/3rds up with a giant top of ? 2"..... it must be a horrible site! lol

 

[northmanlogging]

I'm on that same job as the original poster. I hadn't heard of GOL before reading this thread either. We were shown this method the other day as well, while dealing with a big pine we were working on. I bored in the length of the wedge and it split out fairly easily while putting the wedge in to give the desired lift. We so far haven't had to really pound wedges, due to being able to pull the trees/ spars using our mechanical advantage ( every tree on the project over ten feet tall has to have a pull line in it at least 2/3 of the way up).
I also never knew the difference between felling wedges and bucking wedges, and it did make sense to me / us that since we did not have felling wedges on our crew it would make it less likely to spit the wedge out from the compartment we had created rather than plastic on plastic.
Some of the stuff I'm seeing is things I already knew about from seeing it in action, but just didn't have the terminology of it. Some of the techniques are new concepts to me though, it is definitely different from any job I've been on.
I figured why not bore in for the wedges, I'm not scared to bore cut ( we are bore cutting every tree) and we are not in a hurry to get trucks loaded / wood in the landing....

Stupid question... what is the difference between felling and bucking wedges?

Cause I taint never heard of a bucking wedge, splitting wedge yes, other wise a wedge is a wedge, Felling wedges are plastic/aluminium/magnesium, splitting wedges are steel. Not sure why a guy would need bucking specific wedges.

Honestly it sounds like you folks are being lead by the blind and ignorant.