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then, imo... a decision for you should be simple! especially since AK is 3/4 year winter... get what u can afford. cash, credit, banker whatever... get what is closest to u and local or go see and flatbed it in. get one in best condition. low hours sounds like the deal. i cannot see u with wheels in deep AK snows doing any tree work... so trax would be best. and go for it. make a decision and git to work....
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That's what Im talking about! High five Brother! ✋ I just don't see the problem with a rubber track over tire steer for what I want to do. Especially fir my first starter machine! Its the lowest hr used S175 pre imisions in the country! 246hrs! A new machine the same class is 65-70K by the time it get it here!
 
then, imo... a decision for you should be simple! especially since AK is 3/4 year winter... get what u can afford. cash, credit, banker whatever... get what is closest to u and local or go see and flatbed it in. get one in best condition. low hours sounds like the deal. i cannot see u with wheels in deep AK snows doing any tree work... so trax would be best. and go for it! make a decision and git to work....
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He’s in fake alaska, only winter half the time.
 
2 trips and trailer brakes I guess?

I'm gonna get flamed hard right now but, Imma big boy, i can take it.

HP and speed are WAAAAAY overrated. I've made money far sooner reaching my ROI sooner than others, because I made do with what I had. I've owned the 100hp ASV, sold with the company, needed less than half the HP to get the same work done, so I wasted the purchase price, and continued to hurt the ROI, every time I put diesel in it. More HP more operating costs.

I've said it before, I am lazy. But I am also not afraid and have always had the resources to go buy something I want. Even with those two attributes, its because I made informed decisons and was rational about filling the need without over compensating...... I had the RC 100 specifically to move Granite boulders on a beach I couldn't get permitted to build a concrete seawall to protrect the upland Condo. so a sloped rock revetment was all I could do, and the granite as you know, is quite heavy and had to be for a high energy beach. I rented a Cat 924 for the higher placings, but the ASV laid alot of bedding stone in graduated sizes first, and even tooled in the lower rows until I ran out of reach.

NOT MY PICTURE OR MY WORK, I'd have to search a few ext HD's find any of mine, but similiar. OTR dump trucks could get down the beach at low tide and drop rocks within 50' so an excavator wasn't "mobile" enough, I had to have all equipment off the beach at night and leavfe no stockpile in the intertidal area, being a fouor mile drive tot he beach ramp each night, I wasn't walking and excavator thaty far either.
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Two trips??? Na, that dog just ain't gonna hunt! That means three including the equipment hauling. Way to inefficient. A one ton or ton and a half is what its gonna be!
 
That's what Im talking about! High five Brother! ✋ I just don't see the problem with a rubber track over tire steer for what I want to do. Especially fir my first starter machine! It’s the lowest hr used S175 pre imisions in the country! 246hrs! A new machine the same class is 65-70K by the time it get it here!
You will regret that decision the first time you wedge a log into the track, pop a tire and have to fix it in a mud hole.

If you really don’t believe me, rent the same machine for a week one with tires and one with tracks, and put them to work and then report back.

It’s such a pain to get equipment down there, I’d only want to do it once.
 
Two trips??? Na, that dog just ain't gonna hunt! That means three including the equipment hauling. Way too inefficient. A one ton or ton and a half is what it’s gonna be!
1 ton dually is the way I would go if I was in the business. Diesel of course.
 
Less sketchy feeling, but puts too much weight on the truck.

To be fair, running tire machines into a dump trailer also feels sketchy but I’ve never rolled one. I normally just try to find a little hill to back up towards to get the ramps more level
We both forgot to mention, If you are in a hilly spot, sure, back it into a dip so the "breakover point" is lowering your COG on the ramp/trailer. When you can't find a ditch, you can raise the bed and lower the ramp angle.
 
Privately owned ASV RC 30, maybe an RC 50, about 15 years old to get away from CAT ownership and quality with under 2k hours.

OR,

A brand new RC 40 made by the original ASV ownership- they've straightend out QAQC now they own their own name again.

I like the ASV track tensioning better than the CAT which uses a traditional grease piston, which basically allows it to loosen, and thats dumb, Same for Bobcat. Grease over a mechanical tensioner.

But, I am still guessing what he is going to do primarily. I *think* he is going to do some scrounging and sell/deliver firewood, and do some grading and fill work, driveways and culverts. For ANY of that, he doesn't need 75 hp and 84 inch buckets, and weigh in at 9k pounds, its just overkill. But he hasn't stipulated what he is doing yet, that I have seen, waiting on him to divulge.

If he's doing what I think, he can adjust the size of the log he wants to pick up and drop into a trailer. He can use a 1/2 ton to tow his trailer with the machine in it, he can use a 1/2 ton to haul logs in his dump trailer, but not both at the same time, and he wont with a 1 ton either..... If he's doing work for himself, he adjusts his effort to fit his time. If he is bidding work, he adjusts his price for his productivity and he gets the job or he doesn't.

I get people all the time stopping (following me until I stop somewhere) me and asking me how big my machine is, because they see its small, and they have a small access. I get calls from three different clearing guys every month to do a job they can't get their machine into. I can drive into glass double doors at the closed Kmart store someone is remodeling, and take out concrete rubble to the other end of the parking lot for the new plumbing changes under the slab. The list of tasks I have done BECAUSE the machine is 47" wide, is too long to list. Yet I can move a dump truck full of dirt almost as fast as a 75 HP machine if I'm backfilling a house stemwall the difference in time is negligible, and I am preffered, because I can truly get "closer" to the edge.

https://www.asvi.com/compact-track-loaders/rt-40/
What's an ASV RC 30 anyway? Im not familiar.
 
We both forgot to mention, If you are in a hilly spot, sure, back it into a dip so the "breakover point" is lowering your COG on the ramp/trailer. When you can't find a ditch, you can raise the bed and lower the ramp angle.
I tried that a few times with mine, the cylinders would bleed off as soon as I started moving around on the traler. I was going to build some blocks for it, but never did.
 
Privately owned ASV RC 30, maybe an RC 50, about 15 years old to get away from CAT ownership and quality with under 2k hours.

OR,

A brand new RC 40 made by the original ASV ownership- they've straightend out QAQC now they own their own name again.

I like the ASV track tensioning better than the CAT which uses a traditional grease piston, which basically allows it to loosen, and thats dumb, Same for Bobcat. Grease over a mechanical tensioner.

But, I am still guessing what he is going to do primarily. I *think* he is going to do some scrounging and sell/deliver firewood, and do some grading and fill work, driveways and culverts. For ANY of that, he doesn't need 75 hp and 84 inch buckets, and weigh in at 9k pounds, its just overkill. But he hasn't stipulated what he is doing yet, that I have seen, waiting on him to divulge.

If he's doing what I think, he can adjust the size of the log he wants to pick up and drop into a trailer. He can use a 1/2 ton to tow his trailer with the machine in it, he can use a 1/2 ton to haul logs in his dump trailer, but not both at the same time, and he wont with a 1 ton either..... If he's doing work for himself, he adjusts his effort to fit his time. If he is bidding work, he adjusts his price for his productivity and he gets the job or he doesn't.

I get people all the time stopping (following me until I stop somewhere) me and asking me how big my machine is, because they see its small, and they have a small access. I get calls from three different clearing guys every month to do a job they can't get their machine into. I can drive into glass double doors at the closed Kmart store someone is remodeling, and take out concrete rubble to the other end of the parking lot for the new plumbing changes under the slab. The list of tasks I have done BECAUSE the machine is 47" wide, is too long to list. Yet I can move a dump truck full of dirt almost as fast as a 75 HP machine if I'm backfilling a house stemwall the difference in time is negligible, and I am preffered, because I can truly get "closer" to the edge.

https://www.asvi.com/compact-track-loaders/rt-40/
i'd like one of those!!! :yes:
 
Couldn’t get to the hiking trail my group volunteers on yesterday, I pulled three rocks out of the way with my Travelall and moved many others by hand. Also cut a couple small trees. Then I turned around and came back. The Forest Service has its hands full already, and opening a dead end dirt road with a hiking trailhead at the end isn’t a priority.



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This didn’t stay on, I had to rig it different.
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I use to work on those from 73 - 77.
 
Two trips??? Na, that dog just ain't gonna hunt! That means three including the equipment hauling. Way to inefficient. A one ton or ton and a half is what its gonna be!
i liked the 175 logging/dump u-vid... smooth operator!... dropped one log and gained two! 👍
 
Yeah that whole track over wheels thing, that dog wont hunt.... I see now you are intending to scrounge wood. A smaller CTL will work fine. Sure, if you find a saw log you want but can't lift it or carry it in the grapple, you improvise and skid it with tractive power and maybe a log arch, the rest of the "firewood" you want to collect, just nibble the girthy log down to size you want to carry cleanly, youre gonna whack it into stove length anyway, right? You can pay less and still do more work than blocking up everything and hefting into the war wagon..... AND have less operating cost, and reach ROI much faster.

I have used a 2 ton truck flat bed and ramped from the trailer to the bed to carry the old Bobcat, and a load of 8 palms each day. Twice a week for four months an hour and half away from the yard. Instead of two trucks and two guys. Once loaded in the yard, just me, dumped the palms, ramped down into the trailer and out, and then augered the holes, then circled back for the palms and dropped them in in four hours, the rest of the day was just jetting them in the hole and backfilling, mostly sipping a beer and enjoying an easy day. It was a four mile long concrete walking trail around a series of flood control lakes on a 4000 unit ms Apartment complex, and the site developer stayed ahead of me clearing and shaping lake banks, and my other crew stayed behind me laying sod. Paid for the used 2 ton truck with just my efforts, the sod crew and the landscape and irrigtion crew were gravy profit.


You will regret that decision the first time you wedge a log into the track, pop a tire and have to fix it in a mud hole.

If you really don’t believe me, rent the same machine for a week one with tires and one with tracks, and put them to work and then report back.

It’s such a pain to get equipment down there, I’d only want to do it once.
 

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