man, i figured they had 20 years production by how they talk? the reason is talk, tiny wood, flat land, big wood, steep land. there's a difference. although i'm sitting here saying they can have all that flat land, pulp wood, piece work BS and there sitting there saying we can have all that steep slope, big rotten ugly deadly wood BS. 2 different types of work. i'm sure me working there would open my eyes and them working here would open their eyes. bottom line? we are all just a bunch of ****'n culls! LOL bitzers just top of the line cull is all. i think golickit might even be more cull then bitzer even LOL