You can back that truck into my yard any time. I've got a loader makes it easier to stack than using a wheelbarrow.
Sure delivery to DE will cost you a lot
You can back that truck into my yard any time. I've got a loader makes it easier to stack than using a wheelbarrow.
Lately I've been buying wood at the local Amish Saw mill. They get a lot they can't really use. The crooks, . . .
A few years back, I was short on wood for the winter so I placed an order for two cord of 16 in split hardwood. The wood dealer delivers with small dumptruck. I paid him the requested price. (200$ back then). When I piled the wood as usual, I ended up with two piles of 16 in x 4 height x 22 feet.
When I when back to the dealer to complain, he told me that locally a 16 in split and stacked firewood equal 21.8 feet at 4 feet high??? I told him in my book a cord was always 16 in x 4 ft x 24 ft.
He responded that I actually purchase a cord ( 8 ft logs x 4 ft leght x 4 ft high) prior to processing and the local industry?? have decided that a cord was 22 ft. So really I was paying for the lost normal compression of small piece incured during processing.
I check with other dealer and all the wood dealer said the same other than two old timer that respected the 24ft lenght.
I never bought wood after this...made sure that I had lots of wood from the woodlot each years.
This makes sense, and was my first reaction. But what if he wants a full cord cut into 12" pieces instead of 16" pieces. How much would you charge?
Philbert
A few years back, I was short on wood for the winter so I placed an order for two cord of 16 in split hardwood. The wood dealer delivers with small dumptruck. I paid him the requested price. (200$ back then). When I piled the wood as usual, I ended up with two piles of 16 in x 4 height x 22 feet.
When I when back to the dealer to complain, he told me that locally a 16 in split and stacked firewood equal 21.8 feet at 4 feet high??? I told him in my book a cord was always 16 in x 4 ft x 24 ft.
He responded that I actually purchase a cord ( 8 ft logs x 4 ft leght x 4 ft high) prior to processing and the local industry?? have decided that a cord was 22 ft. So really I was paying for the lost normal compression of small piece incured during processing.
I check with other dealer and all the wood dealer said the same other than two old timer that respected the 24ft lenght.
ok. first thing you did wrong was not communicate exactly what you are getting and the second thing you must be aware of is that stacking wood is not a science.
there can be as much as 25% difference in a pile of wood between two different guys stacking. thats one guy stacking it 25% looser and the other guy stacking it 25% tighter.. what should be done is go there and see it staked in racks or rows and sayI want that row of wood , take it. what I do is deliver it. stack it and have it in rows 4 ft high. 8 ft long. so there is no mistake. .
you should go buy some trees. cut em up. split em and then sell the wood. work expenses for less than you have in it.
we get $75 bucks for a 4ft high and 4 ft wide stack of wood thats $150 a row 4ft high. 8 ft long and in 16 in pieces. delivered andstacked. and I dont feel I am getting enough even at that.
al cox
I would add about 25% to my normal price because short pieces like that require more cutting and more work. I cut all my big logs 16" to 18" lengths prior to splitting because most customers want at least that length, and they despise short pieces that don't even stack very well.
How on earth do you sell a whole bunch of leftover 4" to 6" pieces cut from 16" to 18" logs?
One of my friends cuts his elm logs this way (12" lengths), and then lets the rounds sit for six months before he splits them by hand. That's right folks, he splits American and Chinese elm by hand with an 8-lb splitting maul. It can be done, but the 12" lengths make it a lot easier, so I don't ever criticize him. His back and arms are stronger than mine. In my youth, I used to do it also, but those days are gone.a lot of amish sawmills have a conveyer with a swing arm saw. the belt indexes 16 inches but the wood is thrown on randomly so the saw swings through the wood. it indexes. then swings through again. there are a lot of 16 in pieces but the randomly thrown slabs come with the ends anywhere so there are thousands of anything goes. totally trash wood. dirt. burns like sawdust. impossible to stack. usually tons of dirt all over it because its bark slid through the woods being drug out while it is onthe log. total waste of time. total.
People are wanting to buy firewood by the piece but don't know how to charge need a little help thanksGood thread.
Just curious for some input on this problem...I've been offering to custom cut firewood. I've been asked in the past for 12" pieces. I'm not sure how to charge. I know I will use less wood in a 4x8 rick (face cord) if I cut it at 12" instead of 16". But I will have the same amount of time (maybe a little less) processing 12'' rounds as I would in processing 16" rounds. Same problem applies to a full cord...there would be 4 ricks (4x8) of 12" wood versus 3 ricks of 16". That is substantially more processing time.
1/4 cord vs. 1/3 cord... Less wood but same cuts and splits. Time is money to me...
Very curious to how everyone else deals with this or a similar situation.
Buying firewood by the piece? Are you kidding me? I suppose it is possible.People are wanting to buy firewood by the piece but don't know how to charge need a little help thanks
In response to the crack about who should and shouldn't be burnin' wood, I have two younger kids that actually help out at home, and they have issues with the bigger wood, but we also inherited an insert that's pretty small at the back - so 12-14" logs are a lot easier to load. I also cut for two older couples that can't afford to pay the oil company ransom, so the only affordable way for them to keep warm and remain independent is to burn what they can handle. Rather than piles of sticks they prefer thicker pieced splits of a shorter length. Who am I to judge?
Coldfront, gettin' old ain't fer pussies, and if ya don't drop a tree on yerself, ya might live long enough to find that out for yourself. People don't have to justify to the market what they want and why, they just have to be willing to pay for it and the market will typically respond. The annoyance of trying to deal with irregular or malapropped units of measure only makes people more leery and a bigger PITA to deal with. I show folks a four row cord of 12" that I keep for our small insert, and a three row cord of 16" that I cut for another. Since I'm cuttin' for a year or two out there's always a split cord of each on hand for them to see for themselves. Don't have to do much explaining about why I charge more for one than the other. The extra work is self evident and most folks can see and understand that without too much trouble.
Visual aids aside, people also appreciate being shown how to determine seasoned from green and the difference in BTU potential between varieties of wood. If you're interested in establishing a relationship where people trust you and come back for more, you can't be too forthcoming with information. I've never had anybody complain about me trying to be too honest.
Oh come on, if you can't carry a piece of 16" split seasoned dry wood you have a bigger problem. My one year old granddaughter can carry that. If they are that weak or crippled they should be burning gas or fuel oil and get on a fuel assistance program.
I think there is no issue as to how to measure wood. Its's quite simple as it should be measured in its volume, which will include it lengths, widths height an ddiameter. And somewhere it measured in Cord which contains 128 feet of stacked wood, which is usually 8 feet long, 4 feet high and deep.
In response to the crack about who should and shouldn't be burnin' wood, I have two younger kids that actually help out at home, and they have issues with the bigger wood, but we also inherited an insert that's pretty small at the back - so 12-14" logs are a lot easier to load. I also cut for two older couples that can't afford to pay the oil company ransom, so the only affordable way for them to keep warm and remain independent is to burn what they can handle. Rather than piles of sticks they prefer thicker pieced splits of a shorter length. Who am I to judge?
Coldfront, gettin' old ain't fer pussies, and if ya don't drop a tree on yerself, ya might live long enough to find that out for yourself. People don't have to justify to the market what they want and why, they just have to be willing to pay for it and the market will typically respond. The annoyance of trying to deal with irregular or malapropped units of measure only makes people more leery and a bigger PITA to deal with. I show folks a four row cord of 12" that I keep for our small insert, and a three row cord of 16" that I cut for another. Since I'm cuttin' for a year or two out there's always a split cord of each on hand for them to see for themselves. Don't have to do much explaining about why I charge more for one than the other. The extra work is self evident and most folks can see and understand that without too much trouble.
Visual aids aside, people also appreciate being shown how to determine seasoned from green and the difference in BTU potential between varieties of wood. If you're interested in establishing a relationship where people trust you and come back for more, you can't be too forthcoming with information. I've never had anybody complain about me trying to be too honest.
Not "somewhere". It is measured in cords in any jurisdiction where wood sales are regulated under the "Weights and Measures" statutes. ......
Harry K
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