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dbowling

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anyone know what outdoor boilers are legal to buy and burn in Indiana now, looking for specific models etc... Ive got a Woodmaster 4400 now going on 5 years but for the future in case it goes belly up, hopefully not for a long time...are the 4400`s one of the OWB`s that are legal to burn?
 
Thought this might be coming. 2 years ago we had a big hubbub near us with a fella in town who was burning railroad ties. It was bad, could see it from a ways off. Local politicians daughter lived next door and it became an issue that he told the local paper he would see solved at the state house. Wonder if this is from that issue?
That guy was screwing us all.
 
Yeah, the guy burning the RR ties, You might say he is getting what he deserves, but he is getting screwed here too, along with the rest of us.....
 
Thought this might be coming. 2 years ago we had a big hubbub near us with a fella in town who was burning railroad ties. It was bad, could see it from a ways off. Local politicians daughter lived next door and it became an issue that he told the local paper he would see solved at the state house. Wonder if this is from that issue?
That guy was screwing us all.

That's the kinda guy everyone who knows him should address him as "hey ***hole"!

That's not only stupid, but RR ties are way more valuable for landscaping.

People wonder how and why the EPA and whatnot came about? It wasn't some "librul" deal, it was because of individual and corportate used food orifice practices like that, just go ahead and wicked nasty pollute, when you just know it is wrong.

You look at most any restrictions, bad laws that impact everyone (environmental laws, gun laws**, driving laws, all sorts of stuff, building codes, yada yada), follow it back, you'll see evidence of mass bung holery lead to it.

**some in that vein came about from racist "jim crow" laws as well as general drunken stupidity and criminality with firearms
 
owb`s

yeah I already read that thread but it doesnt say which ones are legal or not..my neighbor says his Hardy stove is now outlawed in Indiana, his dealer already went out of business...tryed to call my dealer and he never called back..anyone know what OWB`s are now legal for someone buying a new one, son in law maybe getting one..

Already Installed OWB are grandfathered in, you are still are subject to Stack Height requirements, and a couple other regs. In Direct answer to your question, Here is a list of EPA approved OWB's

List of Cleaner Hydronic Heaters | Burn Wise | US EPA

While here, here is IDEM's Fact sheet about the new rule:

http://www.in.gov/idem/files/factsheet_outdoor_hydronic_heater_rule.pdf

Enjoy!
 
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yeah I already read that thread but it doesnt say which ones are legal or not..my neighbor says his Hardy stove is now outlawed in Indiana, his dealer already went out of business...tryed to call my dealer and he never called back..anyone know what OWB`s are now legal for someone buying a new one, son in law maybe getting one..

The two links you quoted contained all the information you were looking for.

From the 2nd of the two links Deerman posted:
Newly Installed Units:
• Must be a Phase 2 unit (0.32 lbs/mmBtu heat output particulate matter emission limit with white
hang tag) qualified through U.S. EPA’s voluntary outdoor hydronic heater program

From the 1st:
Below is the Phase 2 list of cleaner burning hydronic heaters that qualify for EPA's Hydronic Heater program*.
 
looked closer

Guess I should of looked at links closer, they were different then the ones I originally looked at, not much of a selection left to choose from...my 4400 didnt make it..
The two links you quoted contained all the information you were looking for.

From the 2nd of the two links Deerman posted:


From the 1st:
 
I have a Central Boiler that is grandfathered in. My unit was "outside" but has since been enclosed inside a metal roofed, 16x24 building. Looks like an old cabin. The chinmey exits through the roof etc... I wonder if you could install an "old style" owb inside a building like this and get around the new socialist dictate from the folks in Indianapolis?:D
 
The consensus for our local regulations on OWB is that if you install it inside a building it no longer falls under the local regulations. PA also has taken the road of these overly stringent OWB rules. Not sure if that will get around the PA rules or not. I was an installer for a Wood Master Dealer and he no longer sells OWBs.

When the local regulations were being passed I asked specifically about my indoor wood boiler and they stated that it did not fall under the rules that they were passing, figured if I ever upgraded to an OWB it would be installed inside either the house or an out building.
 
inside

If your going to pay to build a building to install your owb in just to get around the regs. you might as well just buy a gasification unit for the extra cash...I wouldnt want my 4400 inside a building that I was going to have to occupy because unless you let it burn down to coals it smokes like crazy once the air gets to it, would choke you to death in a enclosed building or basement. Might put it in a shed a little bigger then the OWB but wouldnt invest in a large building.



I have a Central Boiler that is grandfathered in. My unit was "outside" but has since been enclosed inside a metal roofed, 16x24 building. Looks like an old cabin. The chinmey exits through the roof etc... I wonder if you could install an "old style" owb inside a building like this and get around the new socialist dictate from the folks in Indianapolis?:D
 
The shed I built originally started out as a place to store my seasoned wood next to the owb for the years burn. While building it I thought, why not cover the owb to keep me and the mrs. out of the rain and snow while filling the stove or cleaning ashes? I did all the work myself, cut some poplar logs and had them cut into lumber to finish the outside with. Don't have alot invested in the shed at all, maybe $1000 counting the metal for the roof. It is 16x24. I left it open on either end of the OWB to allow the air to flow through and let the smoke dissipate when filling it with wood. I will be adding doors over those openings this spring as well.

I store the firewood in the other end of the building which keeps it nice and dry. The poplar boards I installed veritically for siding were installed as tight and as close together as I could get them immediately after milling and then allowed to dry which leaves about a 1/2" to 3/4" gap and allows for air flow through the building but doesn't really let much rain etc... into the building. I let the boards age for a few weeks to the desired color I wanted then sprayed the outside only with Thompson water seal to stop the coloring process. I did not treat the inside to allow moisture to escape from the boards as they continue to dry.

I have dealt with indoor wood furnaces and wood burning inserts and they work and alot of folks like them, but I would not want to go back to either of those setups after having an OWB and shed like I have it now.

From what I have read and heard about the gasification stoves I hope my "old school" Central Boiler never needs replaced.
 
The sole reason for more EPA government regulations is to CONTROL fuel sources. Nothing to do with pollution, thats just the excuse, its everything to do with control of your lives and making you dependent on a fuel source that the government already has control of , or is profiting off of thru taxes. Your wood makes you free in more ways than 1. I implore all of those whom choose to seek their own choice of fuel by any means they see fit. They did the same thing to home brew biodiesel by raising the cost of the chemicals required to make it, by hundreds of %. Since the govt. never asks you for permission to regulate or tax the heck out of your basic needs, I think the least you can do is return the favor. What they don't know can't hurt you. Grandfather them all in. Carbon foot print may arce. OWB's are more green than any of these other tax credit petrolium fuel source appliances pushed by carbon credit,green energy disguises. You plant it-cut it-burn it- it re-grows, recycling your way the true green way ( the way its been done for centuries), not what some yuppie claims is now green because some paid off politician said it was.
 
The true bottom line indeed. The Fed and State Government can only collect tax on the initial purchase of my OWB and then a little from fuel, oil, saws etc... to cut the wood and haul it home. They do not get the per gallon tax and surcharges from lp, natural gas or fuel oil that I no longer buy in massive quantities every year.
Its all about people being able to sustain themselves and not need the govt to provide for them.
 
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