Running chainsaws (and other twostrokes) on E85

[Bill G]

NO, They are paying too much already.

How are they?

 

[Bill G]

They’ll paint it green..lol

here is a pic of ’blue coal’ that was invented by Jimmy Hoffa for sale to New York City to indicate you paid your mob dues….

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Never heard of that. I like learning something new

 

[Old-Feller]

My friend has a 2007 3/4 ton pickup in SO CAL, He is paying $650.00 per year for dmv fee and driving on the worst roads in the country, He just bought a home here and when he is finished moving here his fee will be $74.00 per year. To drive on excellent well maintained roads with 80 mph speed limits and no BS like camera lights with short yellow lights with a fine of $600.00 for running a red light tickets. More corruption!

 

[Bill G]

My friend has a 2007 3/4 ton pickup in SO CAL, He is paying $650.00 per year for dmv fee and driving on the worst roads in the country, He just bought a home here and when he is finished moving here his fee will be $74.00 per year. To drive on excellent well maintained roads with 80 mph speed limits and no BS like camera lights with short yellow lights with a fine of $600.00 for running a red light tickets. More corruption!

You still have not answered my question. I guess I will make it more direct since you want to avoid it. Regardless of your feelings on traditional registration fees or your disdain for other states the question is should owners of electric vehicles pay a higher registration fee?

 

[Old-Feller]

How are they?

Bill,
A vehicle is a vehicle, Dmv fees shouldn't be any different. Your arguement should be, Should EV's pay a tax on electricity, as fossil fuel vehicles pays on fuel? And my answer is still no! We are taxed to death already.

 

[Bill G]

Bill,
A vehicle is a vehicle, Dmv fees shouldn't be any different. Your arguement should be, Should EV's pay a tax on electricity, as fossil fuel vehicles pays on fuel? And my answer is still no! We are taxed to death already.

So exactly how do you propose a tax on electricity?

 

[Old-Feller]

So exactly how do you propose a tax on electricity?

Why do we need a tax, Bill?

 

[Bill G]

Why do we need a tax, Bill?

As I said please leave your disdain for taxes and fees out of the equation as that is a completely different subject. My question is very simple....should owners of electric vehicles pay a higher registration fee............ This is regardless to your feelings on taxes roads etc

 

[Old-Feller]

As I said please leave your disdain for taxes and fees out of the equation as that is a completely different subject. My question is very simple....should owners of electric vehicles pay a higher registration fee............ This is regardless to your feelings on taxes roads etc

I've already answered your question twice, Now it seems you are avoiding mine. Why do we need a tax?

 

[ValleyForge]

Never heard of that. I like learning something new

The one engineering firm I worked for leased space in Hoffa‘s old coal company office building…I had Hoffa‘s old office and his old desk….he had a walk in safe that was enormous. It was full of defunct coal company stock certificates he used to ‘sell’ to people….lol

 

[Bill G]

I've already answered your question twice, Now it seems you are avoiding mine. Why do we need a tax?

I will answer it very directly we do not need more taxes.

 

[Bill G]

The one engineering firm I worked for leased space in Hoffa‘s old coal company office building…I had Hoffa‘s old office and his old desk….he had a walk in safe that was enormous. It was full of defunct coal company stock certificates he used to ‘sell’ to people….lol

Of course there are trillions of things I do not know but I did not know he was in the coal business but I am not much on mafia history

 

[OM617YOTA]

So to those who support electric vehicles do you feel their state yearly registrations should cost more?

No more new taxes or fees. Full and absolute hard stop, absolutely not. When the current tax money is spent without waste or corruption, and the amount people pay actually reflects what it costs to do the job the taxes were supposed to do, AND it can be shown that the funds coming in are insufficient to get the job done, then we can begin to look at increasing taxes on anyone.

When/if that ever gets done, and as EVs become a larger portion of the cars on the road, sure they should pay their fair share for roads.

Another thought......How should we generate all the electricity needed for a all electric "green society" I bet the copper mines are looking forward to it

This part is a non issue. Generating power isn't a problem, nor will it be.

 

[Bill G]

I've already answered your question twice, Now it seems you are avoiding mine. Why do we need a tax?

Now answer this.

Why in the hell should the owner of an electric vehicle ONLY pay the same fee the owner of a fueled vehicle pays. This is regardless of your disdain for fees and taxes

 

[Bill G]

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When/if that ever gets done, and as EVs become a larger portion of the cars on the road, sure they should pay their fair share for roads.

This part is a non issue. Generating power isn't a problem, nor will it be.

Well who pays in the meantime while we are waiting?
As for the electricity I guess I was not clear enough HOW should it be generated

 

[Old-Feller]

Now answer this.

Why in the hell should the owner of an electric vehicle ONLY pay the same fee the owner of a fueled vehicle pays. This is regardless of your disdain for fees and taxes

I agree with you here Bill, You are right on this. I don't want new taxes,But Both types of vehicles should share the same burden. But what they are priming you for is a per mile driven tax. The enviro whack jobs beleive this will help the environment by getting people to drive less as they consider the cost of a tax per mile. This is what they want, And this is the way it will go down, Then it will not matter what you drive, The rich will continue to drive just as always and the deplorable's will get it shoved in and broken off, as usual.

 

[Old-Feller]

As far as electricity goes, There will be a huge wake up call when the intake pipe that was just moved out further into the lake in 2015 at Lake Mead runs dry, Which is very feasable at this point. The blackouts will start. Then the EV's will be sitting on the side of the road because you cant carry around a 5 gallon can of Electricity.

 

[OM617YOTA]

Well who pays in the meantime while we are waiting?
As for the electricity I guess I was not clear enough HOW should it be generated

Everyone pays. If you want to come up with a method for EVs to pay their fair share, without some government thug tracking your movements or requiring yearly mileage inspections, I'm all ears.

If I was King Yota, and it was up to me to decide what would power us for the next 100 years, we'd be building a hundred nuke plants per year and make power meters obsolete.

The reality is that generating power will be like it is now, a mix of lots of things. Coal and natural gas plants, hydro, nuclear, and a smattering of renewables here and there. As home battery banks become larger, cheaper, and more common, decentralized generation using solar panels and whatnot will take over for residential power and EV charging.

 

[Bill G]

I agree with you here Bill, You are right on this. I don't want new taxes,But Both types of vehicles should share the same burden. But what they are priming you for is a per mile driven tax. The enviro whack jobs beleive this will help the environment by getting people to drive less as they consider the cost of a tax per mile. This is what they want, And this is the way it will go down, Then it will not matter what you drive, The rich will continue to drive just as always and the deplorable's will get it shoved in and broken off, as usual.

Well now I think you are understanding. I do not know of anyone who wants to pay more in taxes and fees. That is not really a subject to argue. I do not have an issue with folks driving electric vehicles. I do have a HUGE issue with folks driving electric vehicles on the same roads that fuel burners pay state and federal fuel tax on and not paying one Lincolns head more. I am not 100% sure what the federal tax is but I believe around $0.20 . In Illinois effective July 1 our state tax is $0.39 . Now that is $0.59 a gallon. This is on gas and diesel is higher Now lets think about the guy who drives a truck that get 15 miles/gallon and he drives 20,000 miles a year. I think that is a pretty fair example. That is 1333.3 gallons per year he is pay $0.59 tax on. His total fuel tax is then $786.67. His neighbor drives a EV on the same roads for the same 20,000 miles and pays how much in fuel tax????????????. I guess that EV just floats above the road

 

[ValleyForge]

Everyone pays. If you want to come up with a method for EVs to pay their fair share, without some government thug tracking your movements or requiring yearly mileage inspections, I'm all ears.

If I was King Yota, and it was up to me to decide what would power us for the next 100 years, we'd be building a hundred nuke plants per year and make power meters obsolete.

The reality is that generating power will be like it is now, a mix of lots of things. Coal and natural gas plants, hydro, nuclear, and a smattering of renewables here and there. As home battery banks become larger, cheaper, and more common, decentralized generation using solar panels and whatnot will take over for residential power and EV charging.

Cheaper batteries?

here’s todays commodity quote for lithium…