We have 2 Rural Kings less than 15 miles apart. One store is new, its a Stihl dealer if that is what you would call it. The other is an older store that does not have Stihl products. The store clerk had no clue as to the questions I asked between a 461 and 661, both on display. I asked if they had a wrap handle for the 461 or a 461 in stock that did. He said I don't know let me find out. I asked him if I could speak to the one that answers his question, that didn't happen. He knew the price of the saw on display, that was about it. It took me about 30 seconds to determine I would not buy a saw from RK. This is a sizable investment for us, I'm old school, I need a bit more expertise from a salesman than what this store has. We have a great dealer I purchased from in the past from where we moved but its 4.5 hours away. Thanks everyone for the opinions and responses, Regards Walt