The MS461.........A Peek Inside
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Anthony_Va.
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I don't know if my 441 was in front of the 461 or not. If it is then you can put it behind the 461 as AFAIC. I won't be picking it up until the Wiggz GTG anyways. :msp_thumbup:
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Metals406
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parrisw
Tree Freak
I think you should drill some speed holes in it.
Mastermind
Work Saw Specialist
Warming up the ol drill press......:msp_thumbup:
I have a theory. It looks like the intake on the cylinder may be mostly blocked by the "flange" when the piston is up. There is space between the "flange" and the piston in the case. Could it be a diverter to keep the intake side charge and the transfer side charge separate? That would basically be almost like internal stratification. I think? This is an interesting design for sure. I would really like to hold that cylinder in my hands so I could really see what was up with it. I do doubt that removing the "flange" is a good idea. It might, however, benefit from reshaping. I'd almost bet on it. Almost.
Randy thinks for the pics. I'm sure looking at the saw in person will give a guy a better idea of what's really going on, at least that's how my little mind works.
So far it seem Stihl doesn't really know which way to go with their new saws, a bit all over the place IMHO.
So far it seem Stihl doesn't really know which way to go with their new saws, a bit all over the place IMHO.
Mastermind
Work Saw Specialist
I agree with that statement.
I wonder if a lot of their thinking is in response to the lackluster sales of the 441C?
Could be part of it, I was hoping the bigger saws would look a bit more like the 261.
Mastermind
Work Saw Specialist
I was hoping for this 461 to be built like a 441. But Stihl could give a damn less what we want.
russhd1997
Innocent By Stander
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TonyRumore
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If that flange isn't too expensive, a guy could get some spares and test a bunch of different profiles. (hint)
It's a bit difficult to reverse most porting, but in this case, you can taste and try, before you buy.
Tony
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See, that's just the idea I never quite got around to having.
chadihman
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Ya know, it just might be...
Could be the restrictor plate though...
Yeah I guess Stihl just has to be slowed down to keep everyone else jelous free
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naturelover
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Problem is, I wonder how many outside of this website would even know a 441 can (well....should) be ordered with M-Tronic?
Mastermind
Work Saw Specialist
Fact.
Mike-B
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I like the idea of testing the options with The Flange.
I guess I'd just like to know if it's inclusion is a genuine performance improvement or just a solution caused by other changes to meet the need for emission reductions...
I guess I'd just like to know if it's inclusion is a genuine performance improvement or just a solution caused by other changes to meet the need for emission reductions...
Saw Dr.
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There is no longer an option. If you order a new 441, it will be m-tronic. The standard 441 is no longer available.
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MasterMind what, if any, difference in power, torque vs. a 460 have you noticed stock? Just curious as to the difference this has over the older version before you mod.
