Why do "Chinesium" chainsaws need a richer oil mix?
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Having spent a number of years working for both Japanese and American Tier 1 automotive suppliers, I'm going to disagree slightly. When the Japanese first started making vehicles here, their quality suffered because the workers didn't want to follow a bunch of rules made up by a bunch of "Japs". It took a while, but those issues got worked out. At the end of the day, a good production systems helps a good worker do an even better job, but it won't make a lazy, arrogant, idiot any better than the day he/she walked in the door.
Sounds like a good selling point to me.
That's right, as far as the catalyst muffler is concerned. On the other hand, presence in the database means compliance ( with the lowest possible "useful life"). And, of course, maximum power is given in kW, not HP.
For some guys I am sure it is. That doesn't change the fact that selling such equipment into the US market is illegal.
The EPA is slow, but they will catch on to the scam just like they did with diesel truck deletes.
Not necessarily. The mark on the end of the sticker does mean that Stihl has documented that the saws are compliant when they leave the factory. I'm not sure if that ANSI spec requires the saws to actually have the mark or not. If the ANSI spec doesn't require the mark to be on the saw in order to be compliant, the the saw doesn't need it.
ANSI and the EPA are two different things. ANSI is voluntary and the EPA is backed up by the Clean Air Act.
If they are EPA compliant the will have a sticker stating such as the ones I posted pictures of do.
I worked for a Tier 1 to GM at one time and your comments are spot on.
Chinese manufacturing is OK with someone like Toyota, Honda, Stihl, etc over seeing the operation. On their own not so good.
In addition the methods they use to make raw materials are antiquated and thus they are lower in quality. For instance Chinese steel is still made from iron ore lump and fines, whereas US made steel has been using benefacted pellets for decades. As a result US blast furnaces have much tighter quality control over their end product.
Compliance with ANSI B175.1 is only apparently voluntary, as it is required by Title 29 (Labor), so it is unlikely that any recognized manufacturer can afford not to comply.
This is true of the sticker. It should be placed somewhere so that it is visible to the user.
Miss Jane XU from farmertec says "Our chainsaws are legal, Don't worry"
So there it is in writing straight from the horses mouth. You guys don't have to worry about these legal issues anymore.
So there it is in writing straight from the horses mouth. You guys don't have to worry about these legal issues anymore.
My Stihl MS500i has no such sticker. And it is a genuine Stihl product, made in Germany.
Then someone peeled it off, should be on the tank handle.
Well, they have lazy, arrogant idiots in Japan also. But mistakes should not be allowed to leave the factory.
There never was one from the moment I got it new. Only the dealer would have had a chance to peel it off, and I don't know any reason why they would do that.
Every one I've played with at several dealers had had the certification table on it, it's also easily spotted on every picture you can bring up on Google images with the tank handle in the shot. The dealer should have noted it missing and replaced it. It's not a "can't be there, oh well" sticker. In the case of new sales
Well, I don't have an explanation for that.
That would be the first Stihl I have seen without such a sticker.
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