Will a ported 034 run with a stock 044?

[litefoot]

I've been kicking around the idea of porting my yard sale 034AV. I've got very little money in the saw and I guess if I screw up, I can buy an 036 p&c to fix my boo boo. Wondering what kind of gains I can get and just how well it responds to porting.

Also, how does a "woods port" differ from a intake/exhaust port job?

 

[Peacock]

I've been kicking around the idea of porting my yard sale 034AV. I've got very little money in the saw and I guess if I screw up, I can buy an 036 p&c to fix my boo boo. Wondering what kind of gains I can get and just how well it responds to porting.

Also, how does a "woods port" differ from a intake/exhaust port job?

I'd think so in small wood. I've run a ported 361 that would beat a stock 440 in small stuff pretty handily.

 

[GASoline71]

No... you're talkin 56cc's vs. 70cc's. The 044 will outrun that thing even when ported... Even with an 036 (60cc's) jug I don't thin it will do it.

Gary

 

[04ultra]

No... you're talkin 56cc's vs. 70cc's. The 044 will outrun that thing even when ported...

Gary

Hi Gary!!!

 

[GASoline71]

HI-YA STEVE!!!

Gary

 

[weenieroaster]

Not sure how the match-up would go, but putting a ported 036 cylinder on a 034 case, makes for a light and powerful saw, with mucho grunt.

 

[Brushwacker]

Other then slight muffler mods I haven't done any thing like that with a chainsaw but back in my motorcycle days I had a 175 cc motorcycle ported and it would run away from 250 cc 's with little problem. It was only so so as a stock 175 against another 175.

 

[OilHead]

Well if its of any help have a woods ported 036 that also has a lightened & interior polished piston w extensive muffler mod in addition to the pop off pressure set at 19 psi that incresaes available fuel across the band. After all that I only consider it as a limbing saw. Not a small limbing saw but still a small caliber saw. It wears a 16" es bar. Even though it is set at 13,400 rpm it doesnt compete with an old re ringed 044 a friend has or my 440.. The extra displacement in addition to the extra 1000 max rpm set on the 44 makes it a hands down winner every time.

 

[Brmorgan]

Well if its of any help have a woods ported 036 that also has a lightened & interior polished piston w extensive muffler mod in addition to the pop off pressure set at 19 psi that incresaes available fuel across the band. After all that I only consider it as a limbing saw. Not a small limbing saw but still a small caliber saw. It wears a 16" es bar. Even though it is set at 13,400 rpm it doesnt compete with an old re ringed 044 a friend has or my 440.. The extra displacement in addition to the extra 1000 max rpm set on the 44 makes it a hands down winner every time.

Anyone ever tell you your standards are too high??

 

[weenieroaster]

It's good to have high standards, but in my case, the modified 036 nicely handles trees up to 20", the length of the bar, then I jump up to the Husky for anything larger .

Raising the compression on the 036, along with porting and piston work, muffler, gave another 1000rpm, and bad azz torque. I wonder what the weight difference is between the saw and an 044? The 034/036 os lighter than my 028. I sometimes am packing the saw all day long, that might make it preferable over the more powerful(?) 044.

 

[blsnelling]

Well if its of any help have a woods ported 036 that also has a lightened & interior polished piston w extensive muffler mod in addition to the pop off pressure set at 19 psi that incresaes available fuel across the band. After all that I only consider it as a limbing saw. Not a small limbing saw but still a small caliber saw. It wears a 16" es bar. Even though it is set at 13,400 rpm it doesnt compete with an old re ringed 044 a friend has or my 440.. The extra displacement in addition to the extra 1000 max rpm set on the 44 makes it a hands down winner every time.

I can't imagine a woods ported 036 only turning 13,400. I would expect more in the 15K range. Nearly every port job I've done has netted me an additional 1,500-2,000 RPMs. And that was without raising the exhaust port.

 

[StihlBoy440]

I agree, my woods ported MS360 Pro will hold its own with any stock 70cc saw with a 20" bar! It runs around 14,800 out of wood and still 4 strokes a little!

 

[blsnelling]

Of course this is just bench racing, but I believe my 361 would run with or better than a stock 440. She turns 15,100 WOT and has plenty of torque to boot.

 

[Peacock]

Of course this is just bench racing, but I believe my 361 would run with or better than a stock 440. She turns 15,100 WOT and has plenty of torque to boot.

I'm sure it would BEAT a 440 or 441 in <20" wood.

 

[timberwolf]

Ported 034 won't have the torque of a stock 044, It's a little short on stroke compared to 044 and is giving up about 26% on displacement.

In smaller wood though That 26% shortfall in displacement can be more than made up for with good porting and higher RPM in the cut.

 

[StihlBoy440]

I agree with Timberwolf, small stuff only, anything much over 16-18" across and its hard to beat displacement, and the 044/440 saws have good torque!

 

[StihlBoy440]

This is my MS360 in hard 10"x10" Poplar, the chain is just round filed by me and had cut a cord of firewood that morning, it was still pretty sharp but could have been sharper! But I am always pleased with this light, powerful combination!

 

[StihlBoy440]

This is my MS360 in hard 10"x10" Poplar, the chain is just round filed by me and had cut a cord of firewood that morning, it was still pretty sharp but could have been sharper! But I am always pleased with this light, powerful combination!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_l8m2XkI2M

 

[OilHead]

You can say what you want but in my book a 60 cc saw is a limbing saw. Oh sure you can run a 7 pin rim sprocket 25" bar w skip & get it done but without much authorty. In soft wood it's probably not that big of a deal . I typically cut my firewood at 21 or 22" which means a 25" bar is required for making ripping cuts. This combination is lack luster & slow, just to much for the 036 when getting into coastal oak , euc, maple, elm or simular hardwoods. My MS 440 typically wears a 20" cannon bar & pick up the 066 w 25" bar when making the long ripping cuts. Power hungry yes but once you have a chance to run the set up you'll never go back.

 

[blsnelling]

My 361 cuts right on the heels of my ported 460 in this hard Elm. It's going to take significantly bigger wood than this for the 460 to shine.

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