PinkFloydEffect
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Haha... it was a long year without it I will tell you that. But yes I finally do.
Ha I'm not safe at all, wish I could afford to be though
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Haha... it was a long year without it I will tell you that. But yes I finally do.
Ha I'm not safe at all, wish I could afford to be though
treemandan
Tree Freak
Haha... it was a long year without it I will tell you that. But yes I finally do.
Ha I'm not safe at all, wish I could afford to be though
What is going on with this Stockbridge climbing school?
PinkFloydEffect
ArboristSite Guru
Well I need $20,000 or a student loan I'm working on it. Need to finish courses at my community collage before I can be transferred. Also I really need someone to let me climb with them so I can experience vertigo and realize this is not for me and waste 20k
Just sitting in my desk chair my chest drops imagining myself in these positions:
http://very-bored.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=104
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treemandan
Tree Freak
Is that what one of them climbing schools costs?
PinkFloydEffect
ArboristSite Guru
OVER $30,000 if your not in sate like I am
Damon
ArboristSite Operative
Come up to maine ill top rope you up a pine or something that will get your knees knocking
i only live about 20 minutes from herbie lol
PinkFloydEffect
ArboristSite Guru
Come up to maine ill top rope you up a pine or something that will get your knees knocking
Sounds like a plan I have to return for more B-roll for the film. I will keep this in mind!
When is the stump being removed because The Herbie Project will not tell me Marcia is a complete kunt bat she wants nothing to do with my film and I CANNOT understand for the life of me why. Also, do you have ANY photos of Herbie? That can be used in the film I have 20 or 30 but can ALWAYS use more, I hope you do. ~Nate
PinkFloydEffect
ArboristSite Guru
Will anyone help me with identifying some Dutch Elm Disease on this tree so that I can use it in the documentary!? As you can see which one I think is diseased (the closer one):
Here are some branches that had fallen around it's base that have dark stripes and a dark layer under the bark all the way around, diseased?
Here are some branches that had fallen around it's base that have dark stripes and a dark layer under the bark all the way around, diseased?
Damon
ArboristSite Operative
I believe i have some pictures of them sawing it up,we were at sullivans when it was sawn and i have a piece of it im supposed to make into something to help benefit the town of yarmouth in some way, ill see what i can get for pics and send them your way, also i know there was some talk of not removing the stump? im not sure what they decided i think they thought they might be able to fumigate it or something? i dont no much about DED but i i see a notice that there gonna do it in the local paper i will deffinitly let you know, and i agree that she is a total ##### all the time :hmm3grin2orange:
Damon
ArboristSite Operative
have you considered interviewing frank knight?
PinkFloydEffect
ArboristSite Guru
Dude you rock, your my closest connection to Yarmouth I'm so sorry to say this but everyone from Yarmouth that I have met besides 1 guy and you has been a total prick to me. To start with Frank agreed MONTHES ago to a interview I spoke of over the phone. Then I had Debra Halkins and the neighbors in on it (Felkers) actually several people then Debra must have spoke with Marcia (can't believe you actually know who I am talking about) and told Deb to cut me off so Deb called everyone I had ready to interview and scared them all off! I was so pissed when I got that call, so I am forced into making a much larger DED section of the documentary which I cannot find a reasonable DED documentary ANYWHERE.
You have a piece of Herbie!? I would love to get all kinds of high quality footage of that sucker. I snuck a small piece of bark off him when I did my filming, soon to be in a small glass display case. Heck I will drive 3 hours to take pictures and video of it personally.
Let me know asap what goes on with the stump Marcia wont tell me. I will be there very soon for more filming. Thanks man
PinkFloydEffect
ArboristSite Guru
More of the possible diseased tree ; HELP
Here is the healthy one:
This is a side by side shot:
Healthy trunk:
Possible diseased trunk: Is DED related to the moss on this trunk??
Here is the healthy one:
This is a side by side shot:
Healthy trunk:
Possible diseased trunk: Is DED related to the moss on this trunk??
No on the moss.
DED is usually vectored in by bark beetles. it can also spread through root grafts.
DED is usually vectored in by bark beetles. it can also spread through root grafts.
PinkFloydEffect
ArboristSite Guru
I know that much, I just didnt know if this moss likes growing on diseased trees I understand the disease is spread from a beetle and roots. I just cant understand why one had moss and one does not they both get the same amount of light. Still pondering the darkened wood as DED
PinkFloydEffect
ArboristSite Guru
Check out this one in the center of my town:
Same tree during winter season:
Same tree during winter season:
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treevet
Addicted to ArboristSite
You should call your town's forestry board chairman and ask him if there are any laws in place to force removal of diseased elms.....likely there are. Then tell the board of the situation you picture with a stone dead, likely diseased elm right next to what appears to be an historic elm.
How come this thread is in the video forum and all you ever show is pictures. How about some video? Either that or it should be in the plant health forum.
PS....DED can only truly be recognized in the lab under the microscope.
How come this thread is in the video forum and all you ever show is pictures. How about some video? Either that or it should be in the plant health forum.
PS....DED can only truly be recognized in the lab under the microscope.
PinkFloydEffect
ArboristSite Guru
I think that BOTH the field with the rock wall and the dunkin donuts both those Elms literally have diseased Elms standing right next to them! BOTH! I can't determine whether they have it though for sure.
I only post pictures BECAUSE they are screen shots from the film itself which is an independent film in the process, a documentary that will be for sale
I only post pictures BECAUSE they are screen shots from the film itself which is an independent film in the process, a documentary that will be for sale
PinkFloydEffect
ArboristSite Guru
Another Potential Film Shot
Found this Elm (I think) growing 100% wild;natural;untouched in the woods here in MA. I walk in many woods always try to walk a new one or at least a new path, NEVER have I seen an Elm tree just growing in the woods. What do you think? If I can confirm this than I am going to get the crew down here to film it.
This ALSO leads me to believe this is an American Elm with the DED "flagging"
Found this Elm (I think) growing 100% wild;natural;untouched in the woods here in MA. I walk in many woods always try to walk a new one or at least a new path, NEVER have I seen an Elm tree just growing in the woods. What do you think? If I can confirm this than I am going to get the crew down here to film it.
This ALSO leads me to believe this is an American Elm with the DED "flagging"
PinkFloydEffect
ArboristSite Guru
Help me!
Here is the rough script, anything [quoted like this] is a personal note to myself. Please let me know if anything "sounds funny" or not right. Or if you know a better word for something etc. This has to all be arboristically correct.
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(NARRATOR) “for in the true nature of things, if we rightly consider, every green tree is far more glorious then if it were made of gold and silver –Martin Luther King”.
…a tree, big, small, a variety of colors and shapes. They die, and a new one grows in their place. But what if this wasn’t possible? What if a disease from another part of the world, prevented a particular type of tree from reproducing correctly? This could be a multi-continental tragedy!
There are thousands of types of trees out there, but very few are American Elm trees. A deciduous & hardy shade tree. Commonly planted ornamentally around the turn of the century in public areas, on private property and along road sides. They are commonly recognized for their vase like shapes, and broccoli tops. As of 1993, there were 5,233 “elm streets” in the United States alone!
Meet Herbie. Born before the industrial revolution, an historic American Elm tree crowned oldest and largest in New England. Living in four different centuries this landmark was germinated in approximately 1793. Herbie was given his name by current day neighbor Donna Felker, back in 1950s when she was just a little girl. Serving as a sound barrier from the highway, the hindered limbs also provide shade over the intersection between East Main Street and Yankee Drive. Standing partially on the front yard of a private residence, with a trunk circumference of over 20 feet, Herbie is an astonishing 110 feet tall. Prior to the crown reduction in mid 2008, the canopy’s spread covered 93 feet! On May 1st, 1834 the town gave Herbie some company by planting rows of Elm trees. From 1957 onward, most succumbed to what is known as Dutch Elm Disease. Tragically as of 2003, 20 of the 739 original Elms remained.
The legend behind Herbie is his friend Frank Knight. Born in 1908, Frank is 100 year of age as of October 2008. Loving the tree since 1956, he has cared for it over half his life time. In 1983 he was 4th recipient of the towns latch string award. Frank is a retired tree warden, and a tree was even planted in his honor, right in front of Yarmouth’s town hall.
Europe 1910 [show date], a devastating fungal disease is observed attacking Elms trees. It was identified and named in 1921 after reaching the Netherlands, by a Dutch psychopathologist Bea Schwarz. Britain reported its arrival in 1927, the United States in 1928 from a shipment of lumber, and Canada by the second cold war. It is thought to have been accidentally introduced by a shipment of lumber around the turn of the century. Dutch Elm Disease is transmitted by a fungus carrying bark beetle believed to be native to Asia. The beetle burrows its way into a tree, and without intention, infects the tissue with the disease. It is also spread from tree to tree by touching or grafted roots. Once a tree is infected, the vascular system leading to remote branches are plugged, choking them of water and nutrients. Eventually the entire tree succumbs and dies, leaving behind a creepy looking skeleton. A new species endemic to Western Himalaya caused the majority of the mortality throughout the 60’s and 70’s. This may have been the tie between hippies and trees. Today, it is estimated that less than 1 in every 100,000 mature American Elms trees remain, that is under 0.001 percent! It is even the Massachusetts state tree, yet a mature American Elm is a very rare site growing naturally in the wild. An old saying goes “elmhateth man and waiteth”. Possibly because a diseased Elm is famous for traditionally dropping a large branch, without any warning on a still summer day.
Any American Elm tree is susceptible to the disease, so Herbie, has undergone treatments. There is no true cure; it can only be prevented from spreading. In the early days DDT was sprayed on the subject until 1972, leading to its ban in the United States. From there an “elm fungicide” Lignasan BLP was injected into the base of the tree, never showing to be especially effective. The following years would bring the discovery of Arbotect, a much more powerful and proven fungicide. There are several others now available including Alamo, but they generally do not remove the disease, so any infected areas are removed immediately. The injection typically has to be repeated every 2-3 years to be effective. After battling 15 bouts of Dutch Elm Disease, in 2007 stripes appeared under Herbies bark indicating a much worsening condition.
Frank kept a close, visiting weekly and sometimes even daily. His wife used joke that if the trees name was Suzy, she would be real jealous. In 1997, the Elm Research Institute installed a protection plaque on Herbies trunk. [bike race][hurricanes] Everyone came to visit, locales like Jim Milan and his dog, all the way to Jerome Hutin and his family from France. [fan page/grandmother]
August 2009 [show date], it is revealed that Herbie will be cut down and removed on January 18th 2010, at a cost of $20,000. Before the end of the year, in October, the plaque was removed and replaced with a laminated copy. Then “The Herbie Project” was established, a tree trust for Yarmouth ME. Tree trusts promote communities across the US to enhance our futures public landscapes, and use trees to improve our homes, health, and the quality of our lives. Tree warden Peter Lammert states “the tree is so big we wouldn’t dare drop it, so their literally disassembling it”. Dutch elm disease simply became too strong for Herbie to battle at his old age. As soon as the news made it to the press, more visitors crawled out of the woodwork than ever before. On the morning of January 18th, 2010 a blizzard postponed the removal by 1 day. 3am [show time], (NATE) we left town in the middle of the night, Volkswagen packed. Took us just over 4 hours to travel 150 highway miles, from the Gardner area to Yarmouth. I mean it was bad, 4:49am [show time], we ended up sliding off the highway and getting stuck in a somewhat dangerous position. 7:02am [show time] we arrived in Yarmouth to find Herbie all snowed in, there was no one there. So I called Whitney Tree Service, only to find out they had already broadcasted across the 6am news, that it was postponed until tomorrow. January 19th [show date], (NARRATOR) so just before noon, after several chain issues [call on bar size] Herbie was dismantled and the trunk was dropped. The initial ring count on site stated 212 years old. It was later verified on February 4th that the final estimate was 217 years old.
The wood was sent to the local JD Sullivan Lumber company, for their ability to saw such a large trunk into various boards and blocks. They also provided a kiln to dry the sentimental lumber. Assorted wood was then distributed to woodworkers, to create artistic objects that could then be auctioned off and sold to raise money for The Herbie Project. Things like salad bowls, wooden bookmarks, and cutting boards are just a few of the wonderful things to come from Herbie. There are even tee shirts being made in collaboration with The Herbie Project. The stump was said to have been removed in the spring of 2010. However, the following months would bring controversy over the removal which was delayed until the end of May.
Since even the first devastating strike, research has gone into not only a vaccine, but also an entire line of disease tolerant cultivars and hybrids. Although many of them were failures, a handful have shown to put up quite a battle against Dutch Elm Disease. None of which can generally replace the true original American Elm, but they have been chosen and designed as close as possible to express the original characteristics. A cultivar is a variety that has been deliberately selected for its desirable characteristics and disease resistance. This method dates back to 1922, coming from nurseries in Princeton, New Jersey. In 2005, the National Elm Trial began a 10 year evaluation of 19 different exclusively American developments, all the way across the United States. Six years after the introduction of cultivars, the Netherlands introduced the hybrid method in 1928. A hybrid is the offspring from cross-breeding two or more cultivars, to produce a genetic diversity not found in nature. Many of the hybrid crosses have an attractive form, but neither hybrids nor cultivars have proven immune to the disease. They do however both show a high tolerance level against it. There are a number of American Elm cultivars now commercially available. Among the group there are several notable elms including the Valley Forge, Princeton, Lewis & Clark, New Harmony, and the American Liberty. The hybrids in commerce include the Columella, Nanguen, Wanoux, San Zanobi, and the Plinio. By 2012 the Arno & Fiorente will also be commercially available.
Losing a champion tree to an unstoppable disease is a powerful statement not to be taken lightly. Herbie with all the care he received should have died of old age and not disease. So what does this say, about the future of the remaining American Elm tree? We know one thing; nature has its way of telling us things. So what, is it trying.. to say?
Here is the rough script, anything [quoted like this] is a personal note to myself. Please let me know if anything "sounds funny" or not right. Or if you know a better word for something etc. This has to all be arboristically correct.
***
(NARRATOR) “for in the true nature of things, if we rightly consider, every green tree is far more glorious then if it were made of gold and silver –Martin Luther King”.
…a tree, big, small, a variety of colors and shapes. They die, and a new one grows in their place. But what if this wasn’t possible? What if a disease from another part of the world, prevented a particular type of tree from reproducing correctly? This could be a multi-continental tragedy!
There are thousands of types of trees out there, but very few are American Elm trees. A deciduous & hardy shade tree. Commonly planted ornamentally around the turn of the century in public areas, on private property and along road sides. They are commonly recognized for their vase like shapes, and broccoli tops. As of 1993, there were 5,233 “elm streets” in the United States alone!
Meet Herbie. Born before the industrial revolution, an historic American Elm tree crowned oldest and largest in New England. Living in four different centuries this landmark was germinated in approximately 1793. Herbie was given his name by current day neighbor Donna Felker, back in 1950s when she was just a little girl. Serving as a sound barrier from the highway, the hindered limbs also provide shade over the intersection between East Main Street and Yankee Drive. Standing partially on the front yard of a private residence, with a trunk circumference of over 20 feet, Herbie is an astonishing 110 feet tall. Prior to the crown reduction in mid 2008, the canopy’s spread covered 93 feet! On May 1st, 1834 the town gave Herbie some company by planting rows of Elm trees. From 1957 onward, most succumbed to what is known as Dutch Elm Disease. Tragically as of 2003, 20 of the 739 original Elms remained.
The legend behind Herbie is his friend Frank Knight. Born in 1908, Frank is 100 year of age as of October 2008. Loving the tree since 1956, he has cared for it over half his life time. In 1983 he was 4th recipient of the towns latch string award. Frank is a retired tree warden, and a tree was even planted in his honor, right in front of Yarmouth’s town hall.
Europe 1910 [show date], a devastating fungal disease is observed attacking Elms trees. It was identified and named in 1921 after reaching the Netherlands, by a Dutch psychopathologist Bea Schwarz. Britain reported its arrival in 1927, the United States in 1928 from a shipment of lumber, and Canada by the second cold war. It is thought to have been accidentally introduced by a shipment of lumber around the turn of the century. Dutch Elm Disease is transmitted by a fungus carrying bark beetle believed to be native to Asia. The beetle burrows its way into a tree, and without intention, infects the tissue with the disease. It is also spread from tree to tree by touching or grafted roots. Once a tree is infected, the vascular system leading to remote branches are plugged, choking them of water and nutrients. Eventually the entire tree succumbs and dies, leaving behind a creepy looking skeleton. A new species endemic to Western Himalaya caused the majority of the mortality throughout the 60’s and 70’s. This may have been the tie between hippies and trees. Today, it is estimated that less than 1 in every 100,000 mature American Elms trees remain, that is under 0.001 percent! It is even the Massachusetts state tree, yet a mature American Elm is a very rare site growing naturally in the wild. An old saying goes “elmhateth man and waiteth”. Possibly because a diseased Elm is famous for traditionally dropping a large branch, without any warning on a still summer day.
Any American Elm tree is susceptible to the disease, so Herbie, has undergone treatments. There is no true cure; it can only be prevented from spreading. In the early days DDT was sprayed on the subject until 1972, leading to its ban in the United States. From there an “elm fungicide” Lignasan BLP was injected into the base of the tree, never showing to be especially effective. The following years would bring the discovery of Arbotect, a much more powerful and proven fungicide. There are several others now available including Alamo, but they generally do not remove the disease, so any infected areas are removed immediately. The injection typically has to be repeated every 2-3 years to be effective. After battling 15 bouts of Dutch Elm Disease, in 2007 stripes appeared under Herbies bark indicating a much worsening condition.
Frank kept a close, visiting weekly and sometimes even daily. His wife used joke that if the trees name was Suzy, she would be real jealous. In 1997, the Elm Research Institute installed a protection plaque on Herbies trunk. [bike race][hurricanes] Everyone came to visit, locales like Jim Milan and his dog, all the way to Jerome Hutin and his family from France. [fan page/grandmother]
August 2009 [show date], it is revealed that Herbie will be cut down and removed on January 18th 2010, at a cost of $20,000. Before the end of the year, in October, the plaque was removed and replaced with a laminated copy. Then “The Herbie Project” was established, a tree trust for Yarmouth ME. Tree trusts promote communities across the US to enhance our futures public landscapes, and use trees to improve our homes, health, and the quality of our lives. Tree warden Peter Lammert states “the tree is so big we wouldn’t dare drop it, so their literally disassembling it”. Dutch elm disease simply became too strong for Herbie to battle at his old age. As soon as the news made it to the press, more visitors crawled out of the woodwork than ever before. On the morning of January 18th, 2010 a blizzard postponed the removal by 1 day. 3am [show time], (NATE) we left town in the middle of the night, Volkswagen packed. Took us just over 4 hours to travel 150 highway miles, from the Gardner area to Yarmouth. I mean it was bad, 4:49am [show time], we ended up sliding off the highway and getting stuck in a somewhat dangerous position. 7:02am [show time] we arrived in Yarmouth to find Herbie all snowed in, there was no one there. So I called Whitney Tree Service, only to find out they had already broadcasted across the 6am news, that it was postponed until tomorrow. January 19th [show date], (NARRATOR) so just before noon, after several chain issues [call on bar size] Herbie was dismantled and the trunk was dropped. The initial ring count on site stated 212 years old. It was later verified on February 4th that the final estimate was 217 years old.
The wood was sent to the local JD Sullivan Lumber company, for their ability to saw such a large trunk into various boards and blocks. They also provided a kiln to dry the sentimental lumber. Assorted wood was then distributed to woodworkers, to create artistic objects that could then be auctioned off and sold to raise money for The Herbie Project. Things like salad bowls, wooden bookmarks, and cutting boards are just a few of the wonderful things to come from Herbie. There are even tee shirts being made in collaboration with The Herbie Project. The stump was said to have been removed in the spring of 2010. However, the following months would bring controversy over the removal which was delayed until the end of May.
Since even the first devastating strike, research has gone into not only a vaccine, but also an entire line of disease tolerant cultivars and hybrids. Although many of them were failures, a handful have shown to put up quite a battle against Dutch Elm Disease. None of which can generally replace the true original American Elm, but they have been chosen and designed as close as possible to express the original characteristics. A cultivar is a variety that has been deliberately selected for its desirable characteristics and disease resistance. This method dates back to 1922, coming from nurseries in Princeton, New Jersey. In 2005, the National Elm Trial began a 10 year evaluation of 19 different exclusively American developments, all the way across the United States. Six years after the introduction of cultivars, the Netherlands introduced the hybrid method in 1928. A hybrid is the offspring from cross-breeding two or more cultivars, to produce a genetic diversity not found in nature. Many of the hybrid crosses have an attractive form, but neither hybrids nor cultivars have proven immune to the disease. They do however both show a high tolerance level against it. There are a number of American Elm cultivars now commercially available. Among the group there are several notable elms including the Valley Forge, Princeton, Lewis & Clark, New Harmony, and the American Liberty. The hybrids in commerce include the Columella, Nanguen, Wanoux, San Zanobi, and the Plinio. By 2012 the Arno & Fiorente will also be commercially available.
Losing a champion tree to an unstoppable disease is a powerful statement not to be taken lightly. Herbie with all the care he received should have died of old age and not disease. So what does this say, about the future of the remaining American Elm tree? We know one thing; nature has its way of telling us things. So what, is it trying.. to say?
PinkFloydEffect
ArboristSite Guru
I filmed the removal of the dead elm next to the large Shell/Dunkin Donuts Elm and got some great pieces for the documentary. Here is a piece of bark with beetle holes in it, and a piece of a limb heavily infected with beetle tunnelings all the way from the top to the bottom all the way around.
