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Hey guys,

It's been a while but I need a little help again if you would be so kind. My dad hurt his shoulder last year, most likely rotator cuff, but not sure, so he hasn't been able to start his 036 for a while. I do the vast majority of the wood cutting these days and have a decent stable of saws, Shindaiwa 488, Stihl 036, and Stihl ms460, but they're all too hard to pull over for my pops.

I'd like to get him one of the spring-assisted-starting saws. The saw will mostly be used for limbing when we're cutting together, or for bucking up firewood under 10". Since the saw won't get used that much I don't want to spend much on it, but I want the best for the money. I've looked at the Stihl 211cbe, and am also considering the husky 435 (I guess you can swap a spring starter onto that model), the Dolmar 421, and the Echo cs-400. I have a decent Stihl dealer in town, but not great. The guy didn't know much about the strato engines, like which models have them. The Dolmar is the most expensive on the list and the dealer would be the furthest at 40 miles or so. The Echo would be bought from a branch of my tractor dealership about 10 miles away. Husky would be reconditioned from Northern Tool.

Any thoughts on these saws? I've definitely got to keep this purchase under $300. Lower is better. I know there's no perfect answer, but if you had to pick one which would it be? I'm happy with the Stihls I've owned past and present, and I like the parts availability (even if the guy at the counter doesn't know what I'm talking about), but I'd like to dabble with other brands too.

Thanks in advance for all the help!
 
A Homelite Super EZ's have a decompression valve, one of the easiest to pull small/ mid size chainsaws. A decent one doesn't cost much and parts for it are still easy to find. If you consider one, get one with a points ignition, later models with the solid state ignition, a replacement solid state ignition would cost more than the whole saw is worth.
 
There is a video on YouTube of a 7 year old girl starting a Dolmar 421, repeatedly. Its been awhile since I've seen it, but I believe it is Brad Snellings daughter.

On top of that, once it is started you have one dandy of a saw. My pop had a Stihl 211c easy start model before he passed. It couldn't even come CLOSE to a Dolmar 421!
 
I am currently repairing an MS180C for a guy and that is the neatest little saw I have seen in a while. Starts easy and very light weight. If your Dad is like mine he just wants to be out there cutting with you. A really light weight saw would allow him to do this for a longer period of time before tiring out. My Dad currently has an 026 with a decomp valve and, even with that valve, it is almost more than he can pull these days. I am going to try to find him a 180.
 
Look at the Dolmar 6100......60cc saw that co!mpares to the 036 in performance. It has a very good start assist....no need to put hard just steady....let the assist spring do the work.
Next up would be a Dolmar 421 or 5105. 5105 has Easy Start and is good but ñt as refined as the 6100. The 421 I'm not sure if it has an assisted start but they do start easily an think their a way bigger saw than they are. Light and nimble.
 
Have you considered an electric chainsaw, either with wire or cordless? No pull to contend with, and the Li-ion batteries are pretty strong nowadays while the prices are getting somewhat reasonable. I think the Husky 536 (I think thats the model) has a couple models in the $350-ish range, as well as a range of Makita and others companies (Poulan, Homelite, Craftsman, or just check Amazon). I'm pretty sure Stihl makes a cordless too (...actually, I just checked at Lowes - Stihl MSA200 36v 14" bar $329). For limbing and under 10" bucking with no pull, this could be the way to go.
 
CentaurG2 -that is really cool! Never knew it existed. Thanks for sharing!
 
Just the decompression valve isn't enough in this situation, I think the spring assisted is gonna be the ticket. Never considered the electric, but I'll take a look. Sounds like the Dolmar is the favorite of this bunch. Thanks for the replies so far, guys. Keep them coming.
 
Why not something like a Jonsered CS2250s with the spring assisted start? They are an easy starting saw. The Husqvarna 440e is spring assisted as well. Had one on the farm for a while and My bride used it after a shoulder injury simply because it was an easy starting saw. Now has a Husqvarna 543 which is arguably the easiest saw to start you can by. Just its a small saw and a bit pricy for some. The 440e and 543 are in the same power class. The cs2250s and Stihl MS250 are in the same displacement / power class. Those Jonsered's sell at TSC for around $350 bucks. Husqvarna has the same basic saw as well in one of the 450 varients.
 
My Dad got an MS250CM a few years ago for the very same reason. I'm not really a Stihl fan, but the saw works well for him - it's light and the easy start does what it's supposed to. I've used it a bit too.

One of my used GZ4000 clones came with an easy start system, and once you get used to it it works just fine, even with the compression increased. The problem with any of these is that if you forget and yank it like a traditional starter it put a lot of stress on the mechanism.
 
My vote would be either the Dolmar 421 or echo 400.
Here is a video of little girls starting the 6100. It would replace the 036 but I think is more saw then you are looking for and more money then you want to spend.
 
Dolmar 420 Starting Cold:

I've been around a fair amount of Stihl EZ starts, none compare to this. The 421 is a new variant of the 420.


My vote would be either the Dolmar 421 or echo 400.
Here is a video of little girls starting the 6100. It would replace the 036 but I think is more saw then you are looking for and more money then you want to spend.


I am getting these once I'm unable to start my non DeCo and non Easy/Elasto start saws. :cool:

Impressive and worrisome considering they make lighters with high spring resistance so children can not light them.
 
I am getting these once I'm unable to start my non DeCo and non Easy/Elasto start saws. :cool:

Impressive and worrisome considering they make lighters with high spring resistance so children can not light them.
Shhhhh. Don't say that too loud. Us old tore up weak shoulder guys will out on our arses.
That is hilarious.
 
Dolmar 420 Starting Cold:

I've been around a fair amount of Stihl EZ starts, none compare to this. The 421 is a new variant of the 420.


I am not sure what you mean? By far the Stihl easy start is easier to start. No jerky movements, very smooth range of motion.

 
What I mean is; I have a 72 year old friend that has had a shoulder replaced that can't start a Stihl MS 250c, 211c, or even a MS180c, but can start a Dolmar 421 all day long.
 
We start them out on a saw young in the "land among the big rivers". We expect a cord a week before kindergarten or no extra pizza or popcorn for you on movie night!!!:rare2:
I started on an electric saw as a kid, then moved up to a 40cc gasoline powered one, so I know how that works.
By now I am the only one cutting and splitting wood in the household (I don't really mind the cutting though).

I am glad my PS-7900 is not so easy to start, that way my dad can't get her running (o no he don't, that's a fact).
He once used my PS-6400 without my knowledge to cut dirty nail infested junk planks apart - he f-ed up the chain so much I had to use the grinder to get it back up to any sort of running condition - I was pi$$ed to say the least.

I had an occasion or two where either of my PS-6400 or PS-7900 ripped the starter rope out of my hand causing excruciating pain in the elbow and shoulder.
That seems to happen when they're flooded and I believe the phenomenon is refereed to as hydro-lock here on AS - I could be wrong though.
 

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