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What do yall run for a crew?

Discussion in 'Business Management' started by countrytrees, May 29, 2012.

  1. countrytrees

    countrytrees ArboristSite Lurker

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    ok so iv been in business about a year and been in the industry for nearly a decade but its only been the last year that iv paid any attention to other businesses what exacttly they use and how they run there business. What i wanna know is what yalls crew runs like, how many pickups? how many saws? bucket lift or climbing? if climbing how many people can you send up a tree with each one being fully equiped? how many people on a crew? spacifically climber, ground, chipper operator, or does everyone do everything? what do yall do with your brush/small logs? what about large logs? i know some use there logs for firewood but what about the large logs that no one wants for firewood like trash trees? what kind of heavy equipment? tractor or skid steer or crane? and how often do yall "bomb" limbs down? i bomb anytime i can to cut down time but i hear of companies that will not even bomb a twig they want everything tied off.

    The reason i ask all this is too see the differences in companies here and around the country and also because its only by seeing how everyone else works that i can improve myself and even learn from the mistakes of other companies and do what others have failed to see or do. I greatly appreciate anyone willing to help the newbee learn.:chainsawguy:
     
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    TreeFrog01 ArboristSite Lurker

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    I too am new to the business. I do all my climbing alone and have three-four guys on the ground. I only tie off if needed to avoid structures, or other obstacles. I talk to the HO up front about the difference in lowering the tree versus dropping it and the impact on the lawn. I do inspect for in ground sprinkler systems and mark the lines and sprinkler heads!

    Equipment- I have 2 climbing lines, 5 rigging lines, 3 blocks, 3 woopie slings, 4 saws, a 4 ton puller, my climbing equipment, one truck and a trailer. I rent a grinder or hire out for small jobs. Haul away or rent a 30 yard container for debris removal, and donate all hardwood to a local church who provides the wood to families who need it to heat their homes during the winter.

    I should say, I am a part-timer. I have a full time job and do this on the weekends to make ends meet.
     
  3. jefflovstrom

    jefflovstrom It was a beautiful day!

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    Crane, skidsteer with grapple bucket and stump grinder, stumpgrinder, 12 yd chiptruck, 2 vermeer 1500 chippers, 20 yd dump trailer, 16' lowboys, 10 guys, and enough climbing/rigging gear for 4 climbers. Our crews are 2-6 guys, depending on the size of the job.
     
  5. treemandan

    treemandan Tree Freak

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    I got sixteen Mexicans
    And one forty-four
    Don't need nuttin else
    Don't need nuttin more
     
  6. jefflovstrom

    jefflovstrom It was a beautiful day!

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  7. bclure

    bclure ArboristSite Lurker

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    IF we all did things the same way, the only way we would get jobs would be to work cheaper then everyone else. We have to figure out how to do it better/faster/safer/cheaper..
     
  8. Jeffreycdecker

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    For climbing jobs, I have my climber in the tree, me as the ground guy slash director, and a clean-up girl. On bucket jobs, I go up and my climber works as my ground guy. But I just lost my climber so I'm about to go as a 1 man 1 woman crew for a while.
     
  9. Goose IBEW

    Goose IBEW ArboristSite Operative

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    I too fall into this category. I have a C-70 dump that will hold about 7-8 yards of chips, open top, not a forestry body; an F-350 pickup which is my personal truck; 12" gas powered disk chipper, old but reliable; one newer climbing saw, Echo CS360T, an old saw to back it up, 4 saws between 55-100 cc's, you can laugh but they're mostly old Homelites, SXL-AO 18" bar, 410 24" bar, 1050 36"bar, and an old Craftsman 3.3/20" bar. I also have plenty of steel and fabric slings, come a longs, climbing ropes, rigging ropes, chain, pulleys, climbing harness and spikes.

    The dump and chipper are both 1987's, the pickup a '91. My climbing equipment and saw are among the newest stuff I own. I did not want to skimp on the things I use while up in the air.

    Edit: As far as my crew, I have a teen who works cheap for gas money, a branch puller so to say, and 3 go to guys that I am comfortable letting them run a saw, lead the chipper operation, and drive the dump.
     
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  10. 2treeornot2tree

    2treeornot2tree Dont cry, just do it

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    I run with 1 to 3 ground guys and myself climbing or running the bucket, depending on the size of the job.
    As far as equipment goes:
    2 - 3/4" isa rigging blocks, 1 cmi block
    1 - 5/8" isa rigging block
    6 rigging ropes, 3 climbing ropes.
    5 to 1 fiddle block with 150' rope
    More power puller 3ton with amsteal blue
    GCRS
    Ropetek Wrapter
    12- 3'x8' altuima mats
    6 stihl saws, 2 power pole saws. I have to say I love my ms880.
    Full size skid loader, mini skid loader
    12" chipper, its a 1985, but a beast.
    Rayco 1625 stump grinder.
    55' gmc bucket truck.
    and many more things.
     
  11. mikewhite85

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    Most days I run 3 to 5 guys.

    Chip truck and 9" bandit chipper
    f350 and vermeer 252 stumper
    alpine magnum when needed
    Ford Ranger estimate truck with shell to securely hold tools if it's on the job

    Some days I run 2 smaller crews. If there is too much material to haul in one of the pickups I leave it at the street and chip later when the dump truck is available. Most days I run 3 or 4 guys. 1 good climber, the foreman is an amazing ground guy who can climb- also good people skills and deals with clients, and 1 or 2 other ground guys. I also have access to a couple other good climbers including beastmaster pretty often. I will work with the crew maybe 2 days a month as I am busy collecting bids and working on my seminary degree.

    2 ms200s and 2 201's
    ms260
    ms440
    ms441
    2 husky 394's
    3120xp

    2 blocks and lots of ropes

    With 3 guys I try to make 1200-1500
    4 guys 1500-2000
    5 guys 1800-2500

    Some days I do better some days I do a little less. I have lately been getting into renting cranes. The two companies I use have 40 tons and the 4 hour minimum cost me 600-700. I make more those days than any other day. Usually I charge 2000 for the crane and dump fees plus my labor charges.

    This is basically my 4th year in business and finally have a steady crew and reliable equipment. Is working well for me so far. I am finally getting a lot smarter on my bids. I used to underbid constantly. Took long enough for me to get consistent.
     
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    Oh and I think I would much rather run a steady 3 man crew and make 1300 a day than run a 4 or 5 man crew and make 2000 a day. Less headaches and pressure to bring in work.
     
  13. jefflovstrom

    jefflovstrom It was a beautiful day!

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    Ha yes!

    The biggest difficulty has been finding great workers that don't break stuff, work hard, and whom I trust. Managing people is not easy. Thankful I finally got a really good core of guys.

    I think finding 3 or 4 crews of steady guys would be quite a task... and the amount of stuff they must break would be insane.

    Kudos to you. Sounds like you run a great outfit
     
  15. TheLumberJack

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    It varies a lot for me. I have 2 full timers and 6 part timers as needed. We are a small crew, but all good people.
     
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    Mostly due to job volume I run 4 part time guys. Two guys a day and rotate them in and out of the schedule as they need time off for family and their full time jobs. Yes they have full time jobs and they do tree work for extra money. The schedules they work are broken up in to days on and days off. My equipment is regular run of the industry truck, chipper, saws, etc. The best I can recommend is to get your company fully licensed, bonded, & insured / DO NOT BE A HACK!!! Most people who are just getting started seem to leave this out of the equation. If you want good customers and good workers you have to run like a professional company. "Big trucks bring big buck$"
     
  17. Fairbanks Stump

    Fairbanks Stump iStumpgrinder

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    what ever it takes!

    I started as primarily a Stump Grinding operation and hired a contract climber and bought a chipper and chip truck! I now run one crew with 2-3 Jack pine brush Apes (including my self) and still employ a contract climber. The reason for the contract climber as apposed to hiring a guy is because the guy I use is safe,certified,and really great at looking out for everything. I believe the big deal isn't in the crew it is in the jobs! you don't need to or want to be the cheapest in town! you don't need all the work you only need the work that keeps you in business and pays well!

    working a crew is easy aslong as you work to your own expectations and never expect the guys to do something that you wont do in speed or effort!

    lastly I need to say if you are bidding to be the cheapest to get the job you wont be around for long! concentrate more on your attributes and salesmanship .... sell the customer on why they should contract with you Not why the other guy is bad mind you but why you are the Best choice!

    Thanks Jon
     
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    jefflovstrom It was a beautiful day!

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  19. beaver316

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    My main crew is:
    4guys (climber, rigger/rope man, 2 cutters/haulers
    F250 w/ 24' trailer with 4' high plywood
    2x ms250 1x460 1x271 -all stihls-
    all the rope & rigging gear

    Secondary crew is:
    2-4 guys
    f350 w/ 24' trailer with 6' high plywood
    enough saws to get job done/ dont have their specifics
    all the rope & rigging gear

    3rd crew is
    same as above pretty much

    We don't have any chipppers/ chipper trucks so we cut our trailers down by hand. They can hold a ton of tree in their trailers when cutting them down properly
     
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    jefflovstrom It was a beautiful day!

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    Classic!,,,,
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