There are those that would end wood heating...

[CrappieKeith]

http://woodburnersmoke.net/

 

[sjp]

that fourm going to p#ss alot of people off on this sightopcorn:
read their whole web site there out of control "we'll help you sue your neighbor"
''killing 300,000 people a year"

 

[Taxmantoo]

Their success stories:

Bylaws & Bans

Golden, B.C. passed a bylaw prohibiting the installation of any solid fuel burning appliance (Bylaw # 1150)

Hampstead, Quebec banned all new installations of wood stoves and ordered existing wood stoves to be removed within 7 years. (Bylaw # 729-2)

Montreal, Quebec (Apr. 29/2009) no further installation of any wood burning stoves or fireplaces

Suffolk, New Jersey bans all OWBs within 1000 feet of another house

Stillwater, Minnesota bans all wood burning or boiling stoves - existing and future (March 11, 2010)

Pleasant Prairie, Wisconsin bans all new outdoor wood furnaces and wood boilers

Savage City, Minnesota prohibits outdoor wood boilers (OWBs)

Burnsville, Minnesota banned OWBs December 2008

New Prague, Minnesota - total ban on OWBs

Grand Forks, BC - The bylaw states that “no person shall create a nuisance using a wood burning appliance in such a way as to disturb the health and comfort of two or more persons from separate dwellings.” Enforcement would be complaint driven and fines could be up to $500.

Houston, BC requires uncertified appliances to be removed by 2010

St. Thomas, ON prohibits the use of outdoor fireplaces including wood boilers and chimeneas

Sarnia, ON has set stringent restrictions on setback distances for outdoor boiler operations from the nearest dwellings and property lines

Nation, ON - outdoor wood boiler specifications have been set which include minimum lot sizes, distance from property lines and distances from property buildings

Elmira, New York - Ban on smoke and other deleterious fumes that cross property lines onto the property of another. Fines are $250 for a second offence or a jail term. Best ban in the country!

Marion, Iowa -prohibits new outdoor wood-burning boilers within city limits and to regulate existing setups. All existing boilers must be registered by Jan. 1; have smokestacks two feet higher than any residential roof within 300 feet of the system; and be removed when the property changes hands.

 

[BlueRidgeMark]

They have a lot of friends and accomplices on this site.



All those guys who burn green wood, trash, RR ties, etc., and claim it's nobody else's business.


They are directly helping the idiots who want to ban woodburning.

 

[sjp]

They have a lot of friends and accomplices on this site.



All those guys who burn green wood, trash, RR ties, etc., and claim it's nobody else's business.


They are directly helping the idiots who want to ban woodburning.

"All those guys who burn green wood, trash, RR ties, etc., and claim it's nobody else's business."
thats different than a property owner useing a wood stove to heat house

 

[Muffler Bearing]

If i didn't burn wood?? How would I be able to get rid of all those old tires?

 

[Jredsjeep]

that site is some scary stuff..........i thought burning wood was the green way to go. i guess that coal burning/nuclear power plant is greener than using a completely renewable resource i have in my own back yard.

 

[Somesawguy]

I burn wood, but the guys that are smoking out the neighborhood with their OWB burning green wood are their own worst enemy. I came across a guy in the middle of town the other day, that had a good blanket of smoke going from his OWB.

 

[Kingsley]

I'm truly sorry you have been misinformed. You should have taken an unbiased approch to researching wood heat. I hope that you take some time away from your ranting website and read more about the long history of wood burning and the proper procedures in how to do so. The pictures of wood burning pollution "proof" are utterly ridiculous. To save yourself embarrassment from any intelligent reader of your website you should remove them, otherwise they may come to the conclusion they are dealing with a complete lunatic.



Marty

Email sent.
Marty

 

[CrappieKeith]

Very well done Marty...most of the banning that I saw came from "cities".
However,they do have an agenda.I just thought you guys might be interested in what's going on out there.

 

[Walt41]

They have a lot of friends and accomplices on this site.



All those guys who burn green wood, trash, RR ties, etc., and claim it's nobody else's business.


They are directly helping the idiots who want to ban woodburning.

Absolutely, on my drive to Maine, I drove thru some areas that were completely smoked out from OWB's. Some were pretty bad and could easily serve as the poster child for these people. Once again we have a few jack bags ruining it for the rest.

 

[HeX0rz]

I take it this is all for you canucks... One alternative to consider is to get a boiler that gasifies. Use seasoned wood, and they would never even know you had a boiler!

 

[logbutcher]

Absolutely, on my drive to Maine, I drove thru some areas that were completely smoked out from OWB's. Some were pretty bad and could easily serve as the poster child for these people. Once again we have a few jack bags ruining it for the rest.

First of all Walt those "jack bags" ( whatever the F that is umpkin2 could not have been in Maine ---"the way life should be". And definately not the land of milk and honey in New Hampshire--"love free or die"; or what we call here in Paradise call the "Dilemma State": "do you want to live or eat fries with that". Sorry WoodBooga, but that state motto has to go.

You and Mark do have good points. Wood stoves or wood burning full time is not for urban areas or valleys where inversions are common.
The OWB phenom has been something of a class thing here: "I'll burn anyway and anything I want damnit". Many OWB have short stacks, no gasification engineering, and no particulate or pollution rating. I'm opposed to any kind of govn't prohibition on this or most anything.
Also many wood burners do it the way they did it as kids when wood was their only heat and cookstoves were common: throw the logs in, damp the air, go up on the roof ladder once a month to get rid of the stupid creosote you "always" get.

Those ideologues will look for any cause that an easy kill: wood burners are a tiny minority, an easy target since we're independent and usually characters in search of a "leave me alone".

I run Wood Workshops here from time to time. There's always some bird asking how I can say that burning trees is carbon neutral when everyone 'knows' that chainsaws emit carcinogens. Answer? I Ask them, politely, about their 3-4 vehicles, their electronics, their long flights to Bora Bora, vacation homes, their large homes heated by _______, and more.
Today an architect friend explained how one of his "green" homes, ~ 4000ft² was to be heated with a geothermal heat pump and of course 3 fireplaces.
He doesn't call tree burning "solar" energy.

It's all ideology, a belief system never empirical.

All about choice. Good topic.

 

[boyland]

I hope every member goes to that site at the same time and it crashes.

They can take the BS and shove it.

 

[sjp]

i hope every member goes to that site at the same time and it crashes.

They can take the bs and shove it.

+1 i think it would take a lot of people

 

[lfnh]

Their success stories:

The Marion, Iowa City Council meeting October 21, 2010 Minutes (excerpt):

"Mayor Rehn opened the public hearing regarding an ordinance regulating outdoor wood boiler systems. Planning and Development Director Tom Treharne presented the staff report. Jackie Moore, 1649 Bloomington Road, Mt. Vernon, spoke in favor of the ordinance. Tom Bullis, 2233 3rd Avenue, spoke opposing the ordinance. Richard Dudak, 198 49th Street, stated that he has a wood boiler. He noted that Linn County already has an ordinance in place and he does not see a need for another ordinance regulating the outdoor wood boiler systems. No other comments, written or verbal, were received. Mayor Rehn declared the public hearing closed. "

hmmmm,

 

[John R]

Flock em, I for one am getting sick and tired of the government deciding what I can and can't do.

 

[jrr344]

I think we should put another log on the fire out of respect of their opinion.

 

[Circle B MN]

I burn wood, but the guys that are smoking out the neighborhood with their OWB burning green wood are their own worst enemy. I came across a guy in the middle of town the other day, that had a good blanket of smoke going from his OWB.

I totally agree. I own and operate a CB5036 and think it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I feed it ONLY SEASONED, DRY, WOOD, mainly oak but anything SEASONED WOOD will do nicely. I also watch the site here and try to "educate" other OWB owners to the benefits of seasoned wood. At times I think it is an uphill battle.

While I do like my 5036, I also look forward to purchasing a newer gassifier type boiler, that is more efficient and produces less emissions. I could give a rats arse about the EPA, but I believe the wood heating industry as a whole has a lot of potential growth and room for improvement. If one could produce a stove, boiler, furnace, etc that could heat a home with a couple few cord a year, and have minimal emssions, it would do a lot to reduce our dependancy on oil and gas. I think it completely possible with todays technology.

Please don't think I'm a super green hippy, I just think there could be a better way to do what we all here want

 

[woodguy105]

Check out the forum and go to smoke stories and click on the technology helps smog...info about something called http://www.fluecube.com/??