There are those that would end wood heating...

Arborist Forum

Help Support Arborist Forum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.
laserboat

laserboat

New Member
Joined
Dec 22, 2012
Messages
2
Location
Washington
Read research instead of mocking and attacking people. Americans attack everything

Smoke kills 60,000 U.S. Citizens a year; 3 million world wide. Respiratory illness is largest killer of infants. 4 People die daily in WA from Asthma attacks. Wood smoke is a major trigger. 1 in 10 children have Asthma. Infants who are exposed to wood smoke pollution early in life are 5 times more likely to be diagnosed with Asthma by age 5. Infants 17% increase in SIDS risk with wood smoke exposure. Asthma, COPD, Lung Cancer are increasing. 20-year study found that COPD patients are five times more likely to develop lung cancer than normal lung folks are. 80% of air pollution is residential indoor/outdoor wood burning; not traffic/industry. Dioxin from smoke most toxic substance on earth. Dioxin is passed from Mothers to infants. Wood smoke triggers heart attacks. 73% of wildfires are human caused not lightening. 53% of lives, acres, strucures lost and cost to fight are from human caused fires. All wood burning aggravated/caused disease costs all of us billions in medical costs, billions in taxes to fight human caused structure/wildfires and increased home/medical insurance premiums. We all pay for this problem.

1 in 2 deaths in the USA had COPD as a cause/contributor but 1 in 2 are NOT cigarette smokers. 120,000 people die each year from COPD. 4 people die every minute. 550,000 hospitalizations per year, 16 million office visits per year, and $13 billion per year in medical costs, including home care. A 20-year study found that COPD patients are five times more likely to develop lung cancer. A recent study shows “At least 93 per cent of those who had COPD were not tobacco smokers,”. 23% of COPD occurrs in age groups less than 40 years. It is not just an old persons disease. At least 12 million have undiagnosed COPD.
.
More people die from air pollution then car wrecks, fires and poisoning combined.

Tobacco use is illegal in public places, yet Lung Cancer is the most prevalent, hardest to detect early and treat. It is the number one killer in the USA of all types of cancer. It is the number 2 cause of death from all diseases in the US. It kills more women then breast and cervical cancer combined. It costs billions of dollars yearly!

Wood smoke pollution particles are so small that they enter homes/schools/public buildings even with all the doors, windows, heat/ventilation closed. The level of indoor air pollution is typically equal to 70% of the outdoor pollution level. Heat/AC/ventilation exhaust systems PULL smoke in!

Wood heating is the least efficient heat source; 53% efficient in perfect labratory controlled conditions. Less efficient in the real world.

Not just short term intense exposure but also Long term exposure to low-levels of wood smoke increases the risk of all diseases.

The US Surgeon General: research shows there is no safe level of ambient wood smoke. Wood smoke is harmful to human health at all levels!

The US EPA warns that exposure to a fraction of a nanogram of PAH increases our risk of developing cancer.

Woodsmoke contains several carcinogens, including benzene, benzo[a]pyrene, formaldehyde. Burning 1 kg of wood in a modern heater produces more benzo[a]pyrene than the smoke from 27,000 cigarettes; more benzene and formaldehyde than the smoke of 6,000 cigarettes. Outdoor burning is exponentially worse! Including wood cooking and meat smokers!!! Composting, chipping, recycling, Propane recreation, cooking, campfires and electric meat smokers solve this problem!

Burning two cords of wood produces the same amount of mutagenic particles as: Driving 13 gasoline powered cars 10,000 miles each at 20 miles/gallon or driving 2 diesel powered cars 10,000 miles each @ 30 miles/gallon. These figures indicate that the worst contribution that an individual is likely to make to the mutagenicity of the air is using a wood stove for heating. Outdoor fires are exponentially worse! Composting, chipping, recycling, Propane recreation, cooking, campfires and electric meat smokers solve this problem!

Free radicals produced from wood smoke are chemically active for twenty minutes; tobacco smoke free radicals are chemically active for thirty seconds. Wood smoke free radicals attack our body’s cells and stress our immune systems up to forty times longer then tobacco smoke increasing our risk of ALL diseases and infections.

Statistics show that: 764 PEOPLE (not just a number these are human lives lost) per 100,000 per year in the Puget Sound die of lung cancer. Many of them were NOT tobacco smokers.

Wood smoke can travel 700 miles and can stay near the ground up to 3 weeks. You dont need to smell smoke for it to harm health.

Burning wood is always unnecessary. Wearing long pants, shoes, polar fleece shirts. Using electric meat smokers, propane BBQ's, adding home insulation, caulking, plastic window film, numerous other inexpensive home weatherization techniques that pay for themselves first year heating cost savings. Recycle, compost, chip, leave in less obvious location on property to decompose naturally (just a few weeks in our climate the pile size decreases dramatically.) Use the compost and wood chips instead of spending hundreds/thousands on bark, mulch,peat-moss, topsoil, weed poison every year. Propane Campfires, fire pits, fire bowls, chimineas, outdoor and indoor fireplaces can all make smores without killing people with wood smoke.

EHHI :: The Health Effects of Wood Smoke
Welcome to "Take Back The Air"
http://woodburnersmoke.net/
Wood Smoke Fact Sheets
Wood Smoke Myths and Facts
Moms Clean Air Force | Fighting for Our Kids' Health
Wood Smoke Health
 
laserboat

laserboat

New Member
Joined
Dec 22, 2012
Messages
2
Location
Washington
American way attack and mock before read reasearch and death rates and cause of death

Smoke kills 60,000 U.S. Citizens a year; 3 million world wide. Respiratory illness is largest killer of infants. 4 People die daily in WA from Asthma attacks. Wood smoke is a major trigger. 1 in 10 children have Asthma. Infants who are exposed to wood smoke pollution early in life are 5 times more likely to be diagnosed with Asthma by age 5. Infants 17% increase in SIDS risk with wood smoke exposure. Asthma, COPD, Lung Cancer are increasing. 20-year study found that COPD patients are five times more likely to develop lung cancer than normal lung folks are. 80% of air pollution is residential indoor/outdoor wood burning; not traffic/industry. Dioxin from smoke most toxic substance on earth. Dioxin is passed from Mothers to infants. Wood smoke triggers heart attacks. 73% of wildfires are human caused not lightening. 53% of lives, acres, strucures lost and cost to fight are from human caused fires. All wood burning aggravated/caused disease costs all of us billions in medical costs, billions in taxes to fight human caused structure/wildfires and increased home/medical insurance premiums. We all pay for this problem.

1 in 2 deaths in the USA had COPD as a cause/contributor but 1 in 2 are NOT cigarette smokers. 120,000 people die each year from COPD. 4 people die every minute. 550,000 hospitalizations per year, 16 million office visits per year, and $13 billion per year in medical costs, including home care. A 20-year study found that COPD patients are five times more likely to develop lung cancer. A recent study shows “At least 93 per cent of those who had COPD were not tobacco smokers,”. 23% of COPD occurrs in age groups less than 40 years. It is not just an old persons disease. At least 12 million have undiagnosed COPD.
.
More people die from air pollution then car wrecks, fires and poisoning combined.

Tobacco use is illegal in public places, yet Lung Cancer is the most prevalent, hardest to detect early and treat. It is the number one killer in the USA of all types of cancer. It is the number 2 cause of death from all diseases in the US. It kills more women then breast and cervical cancer combined. It costs billions of dollars yearly!

Wood smoke pollution particles are so small that they enter homes/schools/public buildings even with all the doors, windows, heat/ventilation closed. The level of indoor air pollution is typically equal to 70% of the outdoor pollution level. Heat/AC/ventilation exhaust systems PULL smoke in!

Wood heating is the least efficient heat source; 53% efficient in perfect labratory controlled conditions. Less efficient in the real world.

Not just short term intense exposure but also Long term exposure to low-levels of wood smoke increases the risk of all diseases.

The US Surgeon General: research shows there is no safe level of ambient wood smoke. Wood smoke is harmful to human health at all levels!

The US EPA warns that exposure to a fraction of a nanogram of PAH increases our risk of developing cancer.

Woodsmoke contains several carcinogens, including benzene, benzo[a]pyrene, formaldehyde. Burning 1 kg of wood in a modern heater produces more benzo[a]pyrene than the smoke from 27,000 cigarettes; more benzene and formaldehyde than the smoke of 6,000 cigarettes. Outdoor burning is exponentially worse! Including wood cooking and meat smokers!!! Composting, chipping, recycling, Propane recreation, cooking, campfires and electric meat smokers solve this problem!

Burning two cords of wood produces the same amount of mutagenic particles as: Driving 13 gasoline powered cars 10,000 miles each at 20 miles/gallon or driving 2 diesel powered cars 10,000 miles each @ 30 miles/gallon. These figures indicate that the worst contribution that an individual is likely to make to the mutagenicity of the air is using a wood stove for heating. Outdoor fires are exponentially worse! Composting, chipping, recycling, Propane recreation, cooking, campfires and electric meat smokers solve this problem!

Free radicals produced from wood smoke are chemically active for twenty minutes; tobacco smoke free radicals are chemically active for thirty seconds. Wood smoke free radicals attack our body’s cells and stress our immune systems up to forty times longer then tobacco smoke increasing our risk of ALL diseases and infections.

Statistics show that: 764 PEOPLE (not just a number these are human lives lost) per 100,000 per year in the Puget Sound die of lung cancer. Many of them were NOT tobacco smokers.

Wood smoke can travel 700 miles and can stay near the ground up to 3 weeks. You dont need to smell smoke for it to harm health.

Burning wood is always unnecessary. Wearing long pants, shoes, polar fleece shirts. Using electric meat smokers, propane BBQ's, adding home insulation, caulking, plastic window film, numerous other inexpensive home weatherization techniques that pay for themselves first year heating cost savings. Recycle, compost, chip, leave in less obvious location on property to decompose naturally (just a few weeks in our climate the pile size decreases dramatically.) Use the compost and wood chips instead of spending hundreds/thousands on bark, mulch,peat-moss, topsoil, weed poison every year. Propane Campfires, fire pits, fire

EHHI :: The Health Effects of Wood Smoke
Welcome to "Take Back The Air"
http://woodburnersmoke.net/
Wood Smoke Fact Sheets
Wood Smoke Myths and Facts
Moms Clean Air Force | Fighting for Our Kids' Health
Wood Smoke Health
 
Ayatollah

Ayatollah

ArboristSite Operative
Joined
Sep 24, 2011
Messages
324
Location
Sacramento
Smoke kills 60,000 U.S. Citizens a year; 3 million world wide. Respiratory illness is largest killer of infants. 4 People die daily in WA from Asthma attacks. Wood smoke is a major trigger. 1 in 10 children have Asthma. Infants who are exposed to wood smoke pollution early in life are 5 times more likely to be diagnosed with Asthma by age 5. Infants 17% increase in SIDS risk with wood smoke exposure. Asthma, COPD, Lung Cancer are increasing. 20-year study found that COPD patients are five times more likely to develop lung cancer than normal lung folks are. 80% of air pollution is residential indoor/outdoor wood burning; not traffic/industry. Dioxin from smoke most toxic substance on earth. Dioxin is passed from Mothers to infants. Wood smoke triggers heart attacks. 73% of wildfires are human caused not lightening. 53% of lives, acres, strucures lost and cost to fight are from human caused fires. All wood burning aggravated/caused disease costs all of us billions in medical costs, billions in taxes to fight human caused structure/wildfires and increased home/medical insurance premiums. We all pay for this problem.

1 in 2 deaths in the USA had COPD as a cause/contributor but 1 in 2 are NOT cigarette smokers. 120,000 people die each year from COPD. 4 people die every minute. 550,000 hospitalizations per year, 16 million office visits per year, and $13 billion per year in medical costs, including home care. A 20-year study found that COPD patients are five times more likely to develop lung cancer. A recent study shows “At least 93 per cent of those who had COPD were not tobacco smokers,”. 23% of COPD occurrs in age groups less than 40 years. It is not just an old persons disease. At least 12 million have undiagnosed COPD.
.
More people die from air pollution then car wrecks, fires and poisoning combined.

Tobacco use is illegal in public places, yet Lung Cancer is the most prevalent, hardest to detect early and treat. It is the number one killer in the USA of all types of cancer. It is the number 2 cause of death from all diseases in the US. It kills more women then breast and cervical cancer combined. It costs billions of dollars yearly!

Wood smoke pollution particles are so small that they enter homes/schools/public buildings even with all the doors, windows, heat/ventilation closed. The level of indoor air pollution is typically equal to 70% of the outdoor pollution level. Heat/AC/ventilation exhaust systems PULL smoke in!

Wood heating is the least efficient heat source; 53% efficient in perfect labratory controlled conditions. Less efficient in the real world.

Not just short term intense exposure but also Long term exposure to low-levels of wood smoke increases the risk of all diseases.

The US Surgeon General: research shows there is no safe level of ambient wood smoke. Wood smoke is harmful to human health at all levels!

The US EPA warns that exposure to a fraction of a nanogram of PAH increases our risk of developing cancer.

Woodsmoke contains several carcinogens, including benzene, benzo[a]pyrene, formaldehyde. Burning 1 kg of wood in a modern heater produces more benzo[a]pyrene than the smoke from 27,000 cigarettes; more benzene and formaldehyde than the smoke of 6,000 cigarettes. Outdoor burning is exponentially worse! Including wood cooking and meat smokers!!! Composting, chipping, recycling, Propane recreation, cooking, campfires and electric meat smokers solve this problem!

Burning two cords of wood produces the same amount of mutagenic particles as: Driving 13 gasoline powered cars 10,000 miles each at 20 miles/gallon or driving 2 diesel powered cars 10,000 miles each @ 30 miles/gallon. These figures indicate that the worst contribution that an individual is likely to make to the mutagenicity of the air is using a wood stove for heating. Outdoor fires are exponentially worse! Composting, chipping, recycling, Propane recreation, cooking, campfires and electric meat smokers solve this problem!

Free radicals produced from wood smoke are chemically active for twenty minutes; tobacco smoke free radicals are chemically active for thirty seconds. Wood smoke free radicals attack our body’s cells and stress our immune systems up to forty times longer then tobacco smoke increasing our risk of ALL diseases and infections.

Statistics show that: 764 PEOPLE (not just a number these are human lives lost) per 100,000 per year in the Puget Sound die of lung cancer. Many of them were NOT tobacco smokers.

Wood smoke can travel 700 miles and can stay near the ground up to 3 weeks. You dont need to smell smoke for it to harm health.

Burning wood is always unnecessary. Wearing long pants, shoes, polar fleece shirts. Using electric meat smokers, propane BBQ's, adding home insulation, caulking, plastic window film, numerous other inexpensive home weatherization techniques that pay for themselves first year heating cost savings. Recycle, compost, chip, leave in less obvious location on property to decompose naturally (just a few weeks in our climate the pile size decreases dramatically.) Use the compost and wood chips instead of spending hundreds/thousands on bark, mulch,peat-moss, topsoil, weed poison every year. Propane Campfires, fire pits, fire

EHHI :: The Health Effects of Wood Smoke
Welcome to "Take Back The Air"
http://woodburnersmoke.net/
Wood Smoke Fact Sheets
Wood Smoke Myths and Facts
Moms Clean Air Force | Fighting for Our Kids' Health
Wood Smoke Health

I'd rather die from the continued exposure to wood smoke than be strangled to death by government regulation. I almost choked to death on all those ...ahem...cough, cough...facts. That can't be too healthy for my stress problem
 
flyboy553

flyboy553

Oakaholic
Joined
Jan 23, 2011
Messages
1,337
Location
Central Minnesota
People throw out "statistics" all the time. However, we don't know who made them up. A person who is against any one thing can twist facts to make up "statistics" that favor their point of view. Before I believe ANY statistic, I want to know who funded the study and where their dog is in the fight.

Posts like the one above full of negativity get NEGATIVE REP from me. And I must say, I enjoyed doing it! And will do it again if need be!

Ted
 
Hddnis

Hddnis

Addicted to ArboristSite
Joined
Sep 4, 2007
Messages
3,691
Location
PNW
The funny thing is that site has a lot of "facts" many of which are true, but are taken out of context and twisted to mean something they don't.

It is like saying that at some point every driver has run a red light, so that means anyone you meet that drives a car is a red light runner. You take a fact and use it to argue for a position that is wrong.

I bet their panties twist themselves into a screw and cause them slight discomfort everytime there is a forest fire.:hmm3grin2orange:



Mr. HE:cool:
 
smokee

smokee

ArboristSite Operative
Joined
Oct 19, 2012
Messages
305
Location
Lancaster, Pennsylvania
I went through the power point presentation, it looks like the neighbor's burning junk.

I get smoke when I toss wood in but once I'm up to temp it very clean. I bought my wood this year as I just installed the insert and its pretty crappy wood. I can't see how anyone would complain next year when I'm burning all cherry. :D

I can't see how this would get any where in Pennsy. We some wood burn'n people. Love our guns and hunting too!
 
flotek

flotek

Addicted to ArboristSite
Joined
Dec 8, 2008
Messages
1,676
Location
pa
A classic case where you can have all the facts but come to the wrong conclusion
By skewing things to prove your position .radon ,poisonous building materials ,and second smoke could just as easily Caused increases in cancer and copd in this so called study .when practiced correctly
And responsibly wood burning is safe and efficient way of heating your home and provides good cardio exercise to its users by the labor involved .tell
These so called health stats to those 80-90 year old farmers and country folk who have been around wood stoves Their whole life .i guess it's healthier to sit your lard butt on your couch and burn thick dirty fuel oil consuming Hundreds of gallons per season
...Makes a lot of sense right .does this sissy la la ignoramus realize we are burning wood In a steel box and not standing directly over the fire inhaling the smoke,you'd think we'd be dropping off like flies according to this poor fool
 
Last edited:
KiwiBro

KiwiBro

Mill 'em, nails be damned.
Joined
Jan 28, 2009
Messages
7,887
Location
Aotearoa
Steve NW WI

Steve NW WI

Unwanted Riff Raff.
Joined
Jan 10, 2009
Messages
7,880
Location
Wisconsin
You suppose he's noticed the UNWELCOME sign yet?

He should be well on his way to maxed out on neg rep. I also reported him, cut and paste of stuff found elsewhere, in this case commentary to articles in the Kitsap (county in WA) Sun. That's spam in my book, dunno what the mods view will be.

If laserboat would like to have a civil debate using his own words, I'm more than willing to take the opposing view. If he's just gonna spam his anti-smoke agenda, he can take a flying leap.
 
deepsouth

deepsouth

ArboristSite Guru
Joined
Oct 22, 2012
Messages
642
Location
Ulverstone, Tasmania
Write it in a scientific manner, referencing every statement / assertion / fact? With a specific URL or publication to a recognized academic standard.

Not just a few websites at the end. And aim for credible institutions or studies.

No matter what the source of your heat there is a downside.

Where I live in Tasmania, practically all our electricity is Hydro power. There is a natural gas plant for backup for very high load or drought or other outages and also a underwater cable to mainland Australia (Victoria) which can run one way at a given time to either export hydro power or import dirty brown coal power.....

But even hydro power means dams have to be built and land flooded. And the green idiots say no to that as well.
 
Bocephous

Bocephous

ArboristSite Lurker
Joined
Nov 4, 2012
Messages
25
Location
Smiley, NEPA
I can't see how this would get any where in Pennsy. We some wood burn'n people. Love our guns and hunting too!

Look how our state voted a month and a half ago. There are a lot of sheeple in the metro areas (and a surprising amount in the sticks), if the results were actually accurate. Prepare for the worst and pray for the best.
 

Latest posts

Top