Super Split - Question about Bearing & Bumper

[Clarkbug]

Hey All.

Just picked up a used Super Split, which I have to admit is pretty slick to watch in action.

Got a chance to clean it up some and look into the mechanicals today, and it turns out there are a few things that need some love. It just got a new belt, a new pinion, and some new flywheel bearings. But it turns out the roller on the end of the rack has a big flat spot on it, and the rubber bumpers are completely shot.

So is the roller on the end of the rack anything special? I only ask because the splitter has been "customized" previously, so I dont know how things are supposed to look. For instance, the piece on the rack thats shot is just a piece of 3/4" round stock with a hole in it. It this actually supposed to be a bearing? If it is, any reason I cant just order a couple from McMaster-Carr, or do I need the one direct from Super Split? Same deal with the rubber bumpers, not sure exactly how they are supposed to be attached, I just know mine are shot.

Anyone have any pics of how their Super Split looks that I can use for reference?


Much thanks!

 

[727sunset]

The roller under the rack is supposed to be a bearing and they are replaceable. If round stock has been substituted you may want to look into that.
I'll have to look into the rubber bumpers tonight and try for a picture. I'm guessing they too could be obtained from an industrial supplier.

 

[Clarkbug]

Thanks sunset.

I think for the amount of money that a bearing costs, I would rather use that instead of round stock. Plus it doesnt look like it worked all that well, since there was a pretty good flat spot on it. McMaster sells some 3/4" diameter sealed bearings that are a little over 6 bucks each, so it seems like a pair of them would work just fine in there. I just dont know whats supposed to be there, so I figured I would ask.

If you can get a shot of what you have for bumpers, that would be awesome.

 

[bass_on_tap]

That roller bearing is a spot you need to keep an eye on. Keep it lubed with WD40 and clean it and the rail often. I have an old putty knife attached to the splitter to clean the rail.

 

[Clarkbug]

Thanks bass.

i think that nasty grease and dirt are what killed the piece of round stock thats in there now.. It was pretty well crudded up on there. Pretty typical of the rest of the guts also. At least that meant that someone was greasing it, which is a good sign.....

 

[727sunset]

Clark, this should help.
The round rubber bumpers are about 1" diameter and 3/4" thick with probably a 1/4" thread for attaching.
The bearing you need is called a yoke roller. I crossed it to a Carter #YNB-24-S. As others have said it is essential that the I beam remain clean and free of debris or the rack will not return properly.
And here's a pic of the bumpers...

 

[Clarkbug]

Thanks sunset, thats exactly the info I was looking for! I had been thinking of getting two ball bearings and putting them side by side instead of a yoke roller, but Ill definitely check that out.

After checking McMaster, looks to me like a 6831K41 might be the guy (no idea how it crosses to the carter number you had posted previously, but it seems to fit the dimensions OK).

And the bumpers mine had were just big square blocks of rubber with bolts in them, so these bumpers look much more like the ticket. Looks like they cross to McMaster 8926T21.

Ill let you know how it goes!

 

[Clarkbug]

Did some hunting on eBay and found some NOS yoke rollers on the cheap. Much thanks for throwing out the part number and the terminology! I havent ever heard of that term before. Also a guy on there that sells made in the USA rubber bumpers, so a set of those is on the way.

Thanks again for the assistance!

 

[Beefie]

When you get it fixed , POST some Pics. Not everyone gets to buy a super splitter, nice job on the find.

Beefie

 

[Clarkbug]

When you get it fixed , POST some Pics. Not everyone gets to buy a super splitter, nice job on the find.

Beefie

Can do!

Its an older model J that someone has welded some side wings onto in place of a product table. Has the factory ball hitch on it for towing. Just was talking about getting the wood supply together for the next year with my wife, and she asked about a splitter. Showed her the videos on the web, and she said to look for one. Next day one popped up on CL, and it followed me home.

Ill get the bearing and bumpers on it, make sure things are hit with some WD-40 to help clean up the old grease thats crusted into it, and go to town with the putty knife.

 

[727sunset]

Nice score, and so quick!
...how about a picture, lol??
I'm interested in seeing the factory hitch as they no longer supply that.

 

[buildmyown]

Interesting thats what those bumpers are supposed to look like good to know mine have been long gone all that is left are the parts welded to the beam. Also good to know about the bearings mine are trashed. If you ever need parts that you cant find elsewhere call Paul at SS great guy to deal with and he ships quick.

 

[Clarkbug]

Just an update... Parts for the SS came in the mail today. Gonna try to get them put on tomorrow in the morning and fire the ol' girl up. Ill get some pics of her if things go well...

 

[Clarkbug]

Here she is!

Got the new yoke roller on there this morning, works like a champ. Also used some bumpers I got off of eBay, they actually cross for a John Deere hood hold down or something of the sort. I had to re-tap one of the holes, but otherwise those went right in and worked pretty well.

I think Im gonna need to go through the carb at some point, or at least replace some of the springs, but other than that it worked great!

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One other question/picture request. If anyone has one of these older style models, can you tell me how the shroud is supposed to be attached? Mine was making all sorts of noises and sounds like its rubbing on the flywheels. I need to come up with some way to get it on there and not rattle around like crazy. Any ideas?

 

[Circle B MN]

You need to make a production table for it if you really want to get the full efficiency of the machine. Great score, good info in this thread...

 

[buildmyown]

Nice work and machine. I like those log wings nice and simple im going to steal that idea. I tend to over think and over build things. Yeah add a table it really helps. If I get a chance ill take some pics of how the shroud mounts but in the meantime mine bolts to the plate that is between the motor and flywheels and there are two little tabs that come off the beam that hold the bottom of the shround. Mine also just sits on there and has a hole worn in it from hitting the fly wheel. Is your shourd metal or fiber glass? Mine is Fiber glass.

 

[buildmyown]

Here are a few pics of the mounts.
The rear upper mount you can see the screw at the top

The lower mount

and a quick and dirty out feed table really needs to be larger but it works ok

 

[727sunset]

Nice find there Clarkbug...that'll split your wood.
Nice large face on the ram, and a very sturdy axle.
Does your clutch have room for a second belt? Mine runs 2 belts but maybe that's a newer design.
Thanks for the pic of the trailer coupler, ideal location.
Sounds like your carb springs etc got banged around at some point and thus the reason for protection built around the engine? At least you'll always have a place to set your cool one.

 

[Clarkbug]

Thanks for the replies and info all!

I do know that I need some sorta table for it, but I think I may try the idea of a sheet of plywood on some rounds that are the same height as the splitter first, just as the cheap way out for now. Ill cover that in some plastic slip-sheet material so it doesnt rip up the ply and see how that goes.

My cover is fiberglass, and has two slots on the top side where it will hit those bolts, and then two of the tabs at the bottom also. But the cover only has one threaded stud for the bottom side, the other has been "customized". I just can hear it rubbing on one side, and I didnt know if there was a good way to stop that somewhow...

The wings are a pretty neat idea, and they work well to keep things held on there without getting in the way. Worked on some big stuff I hoisted on there today.

Next project for it (aside from splitting stuff) is to get the engine starting/running better. The springs for the throttle linkage are all sorts of messed up. I dont want to tear into it just yet, since its one of those "if it ain't broke" scenarios, but eventually Ill have to do it. Ill seafoam the gas in there first to see if that helps clean out the carb without me tearing it up.

 

[Clarkbug]

Nice find there Clarkburg...that'll split your wood.
Nice large face on the ram, and a very sturdy axle.
Does your clutch have room for a second belt? Mine runs 2 belts but maybe that's a newer design.
Thanks for the pic of the trailer coupler, ideal location.
Sounds like your carb springs etc got banged around at some point and thus the reason for protection built around the engine? At least you'll always have a place to set your cool one.

No room on the clutch for another belt, at least I dont think so.

Im thinking I need to rig up a ball coupler for the back of my WheelHorse so that I can tow it out to my pile and back, or out into the back forty to just process stuff out in the weeds. But thats a topic for another time I suppose....

That little thing around the engine I think was so that if the guy left it outside, it wouldnt get wet. I couldnt tell ya to be honest, since I dont see what else it could do, but at least there is a nice hinge on it, and a hold-down spring. So maybe the previous owner(s) just knew it would live out by the wood pile.

Is there supposed to be any sort of plate on the underside of the ram? I have the small cam roller on the back, and on the underside of the "I" there is one large roller on each side. Looks like there are holes to add another on each side of the ram if you wanted to (maybe thats what comes on the HD model?) But I dont see anything else under there, so Im wondering if that cam roller and the spring behind the ram hold it up off the beam enough?

EDIT: In case anyone else wants to get some rubber bumpers, here is what I got, and they seem to fit just right.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HOOD-SUPPOR...655?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a5d953caf