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I think you might have forgotten to turn your drama-queen supression on this one:msp_rolleyes:

Seriously, people have been discussing both actions/choices as well as PPE. Just seems kind of strange to have someone start lamenting the PPE side discussion or even *gasp* start actually talking about buying PPE. The comment in quotes sounds like the type of thing you might expect from a sit-com grandma...not an experienced chainsawyer.

IMHO, the PPE is made for a reason, and any discussion of it is a welcome thing.

You insult grandmas. My friend who is a grandma, probably uses her saw more than many on this forum, and she has not had a chainsaw or cutting accident. Never. Yes, she wears PPE all the time she is cutting. She runs a 360 with 28 inch bar, except it is not running right now so she has borrowed her husband's 440.

This is a guy cutting on Grandma's property. Note how windy it is, how much attention he is paying to what the tree is doing, and how he skedaddles out of the danger zone. He is cutting our native Red Alder, which is a soft, hardwood and notorious for barberchairing.

[video=youtube_share;LbtX3syK8vY]http://youtu.be/LbtX3syK8vY[/video]
 
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You insult grandmas. My friend who is a grandma, probably uses her saw more than many on this forum, and she has not had a chainsaw or cutting accident. Never. Yes, she wears PPE all the time she is cutting. She runs a 360 with 28 inch bar, except it is not running right now so she has borrowed her husband's 440.
She is also recovering from knee surgery.

Don't be bashing grandmas.

Who's bashing grandmas? I was careful to say *sit-com* grandmas so as to not step on any sensitive (& non-steel-protected) toes. Theyre fictional:smile2:

I know too many *real* grandmas who do things like clear land and run horse farms to do otherwise.
 
The best deal I've found on the Kask Super Plasma is $115.95. The clear shield is $49.95. I've emailed to see if there would be a discount for 10 or more. I've also contacted Grande Dog to see if he can get them.

Save your money on the shield it is short and wont Keep the sawdust out is goes right under and in.Ain't worth 1/2 the price of the helmet no way.Remember I have one!
 
Wonder if they have mesh visors - plastic scratched.

Philbert

The Peltor mesh visors are only ten bucks here at TreeStuff.com. You can order the whole kit for $45 or just the visor for $10 which mounts to any of the Peltor ear muffs available one page up.

If you don't want to use the Peltor muffs you can modify the visor to work directly on the helmet. From someone else...
The Peltor mesh shield, separated from all of the visor sealer stuff that comes with it, fits into the same attachment holes as the plastic visor by just enlarging the holes in the shield to the proper size. It is a really, tight fitting modification.

Not my photos, originally from here.

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We can get a 7% discount if we do a bulk order from Tree Stuff. Just yesterday, they already dropped the regular price to $115.95. The bulk price would be $107.83. But for a bulk order, I think they'd all have to be shipped to me. Then we'd have the added cost and time for me to ship them out. I've not done a bulk order so don't know if they can be shipped to different addressee or not. I'm not sure is worth the hassles for us or then to go bulk.
 
Widowmakers are spooky! Glad you're alright, Brad.

They certainly are.

While it's good to have footage for "incident investigations" or post-mortems or whatever, I cannot help but notice that the camera operators are often distracted by the camera itself. NOw days, tiny cameras are cheap enough that there is a good availability of helmet-cams which are starting to get some use in the firefighting world. When you wear it you dont think about it. but when something bad happens, it makes it all that much easier to learn from our (or others') mistakes.

Metal Firefighter Camera Helmet Cam (Fire Proof) - FC3 - Helmet Camera & Helmet Cam Shop - StuntCams

By comparison, these are the same size and cost as the side-lighter helmet lights that alot of firefighters use. they are attached to fire helmets by one of these bands.
Streamlight Deluxe Rubber Helmet Strap

Would be real easy to put on a logging helmet. And if they stand up as firefighting gear (heat, impacts, water, etc.), you know they will do ok in a logging environment.
 
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Save your money on the shield it is short and wont Keep the sawdust out is goes right under and in.Ain't worth 1/2 the price of the helmet no way.Remember I have one!

Thanks for the feedback. I'm on the fence about the plastic visor. If it wasn't half the price of the helmet, like you said, I would be more willing to give it a try. I'm not a pro or even full time firewood cutter so I would probably use the helmet for other applications as well where it might be useful. So I'm still not sure.

-Eric
 
Thanks for the feedback. I'm on the fence about the plastic visor. If it wasn't half the price of the helmet, like you said, I would be more willing to give it a try. I'm not a pro or even full time firewood cutter so I would probably use the helmet for other applications as well where it might be useful. So I'm still not sure.

-Eric

All that stuff sounds good till you get it then everything is a hassle and gets in the way actually!I would like to just wear the Helmet and ear plugs but when chipping its too loud so I put the biggest peltor muffs on my helmet and tossed the stock ones.safety glasses are good.
 
The comment in quotes sounds like the type of thing you might expect from a sit-com grandma...not an experienced chainsawyer.

I'll have to take your word word for what a sit-com grandma says...and assume too much time in an armchair might explain your interpretation of what I said.

The point, once again, is this. The mistakes that were made were glaring, and numerous. Anyone with experience would recognize that. I think we have an obligation to describe those mistakes, and the alternatives. I laid out my view a few pages back, but the real issues seem to get lost amongst the shiny hats.

PPE is important, but it is more important to minimize the opportunities you have to test it out.

When I taught firearm safety, the first thing I did was show them where the safety was, but I spent the rest of the time trying to make sure they never would have to rely on it.
 
Edisto, I wasn't even going to give you the pleasure of a reply, but here it is. Obviously, mistakes were made. I made that very clear up front. I know what those mistakes where and pointed them out.

You're here for one reason and one reason only. You don't like me and are simply looking for trouble. Twenty some pages and you've got to be the one to take this thread down the toilet! Go away, you're not welcome here! We'll talk about PPE when we feel like it. Thank you very much!
 
I'll have to take your word word for what a sit-com grandma says...and assume too much time in an armchair might explain your interpretation of what I said.

The point, once again, is this. The mistakes that were made were glaring, and numerous. Anyone with experience would recognize that. I think we have an obligation to describe those mistakes, and the alternatives. I laid out my view a few pages back, but the real issues seem to get lost amongst the shiny hats.

PPE is important, but it is more important to minimize the opportunities you have to test it out.

When I taught firearm safety, the first thing I did was show them where the safety was, but I spent the rest of the time trying to make sure they never would have to rely on it.


Man, talking about flogging a dead horse!

We all heard you the first time you posted on this thread, professor. I was trying to subtly indicate that in my initial response to you. Unfortunately, my clumsy attempt at subtlety was lost on you & my response only seem to have made you more strident...like a big pink incredible hulk who, instead of rage, expresses uncontrollable petulance.

So, to be more blunt, while it might be hard someone in your position to understand, repeating the same point over and over only gets you ignored. It's really kind of disappointing, as one would reallly expect a professor who (hopefully) has a Ph.D. to have more to say. If you really wan't to lecture people, why not just add another course to your teaching load?

Now, for your convenience, I'll put you on ignore so you don't feel like you are obliged to retort.

This will probably fall on deaf ears, but either way, best of luck to you:smile2:
 
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Edisto, I wasn't even going to give you the pleasure of a reply, but here it is. Obviously, mistakes were made. I made that very clear up front. I know what those mistakes where and pointed them out.

I read the mistakes you cited, and reviewed the video very carefully. Then I offered my view of what additional mistakes I saw, and offered my suggestion of how I would deal with a similar situation.

You're here for one reason and one reason only. You don't like me and are simply looking for trouble. Twenty some pages and you've got to be the one to take this thread down the toilet! Go away, you're not welcome here!

I posted a second time in the spirit of what the intent of the thread was stated to be. I don't waste energy disliking you, except when you post crap like this. I get over it pretty quickly though.

I understand that your ego is probably as bruised as the rest of you, but as you indicated in the first post, there are lessons to be learned. I just brought up ones that I thought were missed. I don't see how a candid discussion of the issues that led to your accident takes the thread down the toilet, but I also don't have a persecution complex.

We'll talk about PPE when we feel like it. Thank you very much!

I'm just not sure I can make this any clearer...I don't object to talking about PPE. I just want to make sure that the causal issues are addressed so that others won't make the same mistakes.

I've said my piece, and hope that someone got something useful out of it.
 
I am kind of with Edisto on this one Brad. While PPE is important, you still would have been hurt badly even with the helmet. Im not saying to point out what you did wrong to say you suck, not by any means. I know my own mistakes have almost got me nailed into the ground. I havnt been following this thread post by post, but it seems like it is mostly geared towards PPE and not why what happened happened. You were generous enough to share this with us, and I think discussing what happened, what went wrong, and why would be more beneficial. Either way Brad thanks for sharing.
 
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Edisto, I wasn't even going to give you the pleasure of a reply, but here it is. Obviously, mistakes were made. I made that very clear up front. I know what those mistakes where and pointed them out.

You're here for one reason and one reason only. You don't like me and are simply looking for trouble. Twenty some pages and you've got to be the one to take this thread down the toilet! Go away, you're not welcome here! We'll talk about PPE when we feel like it. Thank you very much!

I second that I don't like him either !!!!!'Go away no it all self proclaimed Genius!What about it you never got hurt if true then you never worked!
 
The focus of this thread is certainly not PPE. The best protection is knowledge and awareness, and there by avoidance of accidents. Read the thread and I don't think you'll see anything that says any differently. PPE is only being discussed now because I want to buy a new helmet. It's the prudent thing to do, along with the lessons learned and/or reinforced from the accident.
 
It fell on deaf ears here.

Same here.

This has turned out like many firearms related discussions have when they take place after a very visible crime. The left wing jumps in and says we need more and stronger gun controls. The right wing says everyone should be armed all the time everywhere. Somewhere in between are the folks like Edisto who claim that we need common sense laws that control criminals while not punishing law abiding citizens.

Brad is lucky to be alive and he knows it. We are all happy that he is. Now he wants to add some safety equipment to his gear cache. Good for him. (For what it's worth I don't think a climbing helmet is the way to go but that is Brad's choice.) What got Brad into trouble was bad judgement, and he knows that too. PPE won't help that out one little bit but it won't hurt as long as he learns the big lesson that each and every tree needs to be looked at as a special tree that might have his name on it. Like they say, sometimes you just need a knock upside the head to make you start thinking differently. I've had mine and now Brad has had his.
 
I haven't been reading the whole thread so if it's been pointed out, sorry.

The tree that the falling tree hit which broke the limb on the falling tree that caused the injury......had a huge limb hanging right over the stump and was swinging violently. Had it broken, and I'm surprised it did not.....
Yes sir, you better believer I saw that! I wouldn't have walked away from either that stick, or the top that came out of it.
 
He knows he did wrong, and he said it. I wasnt there and videos dont do anything justice. Would I have made the same mistake? I dont know. The deed is done now he has learned from it. I dont think his thinking about getting/using ppe should not be discussed here. I dont know Brad personally but have read several of his posts in the past and he seems to be a knowledgeable and helpfull fellow. I dont think there needs to be any sarcastic remarks or any thing bad to be said about him. I will say that I bought a used chainsaw from him and it is great. Be smart, be safe.
 
Same here.

This has turned out like many firearms related discussions have when they take place after a very visible crime. The left wing jumps in and says we need more and stronger gun controls. The right wing says everyone should be armed all the time everywhere. Somewhere in between are the folks like Edisto who claim that we need common sense laws that control criminals while not punishing law abiding citizens.

Brad is lucky to be alive and he knows it. We are all happy that he is. Now he wants to add some safety equipment to his gear cache. Good for him. (For what it's worth I don't think a climbing helmet is the way to go but that is Brad's choice.) What got Brad into trouble was bad judgement, and he knows that too. PPE won't help that out one little bit but it won't hurt as long as he learns the big lesson that each and every tree needs to be looked at as a special tree that might have his name on it. Like they say, sometimes you just need a knock upside the head to make you start thinking differently. I've had mine and now Brad has had his.


Dude, I think you just might be projecting a little bit. This is not a firearms issue. This is not a liberal vs. conservative political issue. This is a whineyness & bad assumption issue...one of assuming no one else could be possibly be so enlightened as you and must be spending their days worrying about PPE but otherwise running around under widowmakers, improperly felling trees at night while drunk, and must therefore, because they are worrying about about PPE, be ignorant of all other things and that you must wade into the fray to set the poor misquided souls straight.

Or.... Perhaps this is simply a disscussion arising from a near miss--the kind many of us have from time to time--that has involved both methods (see my first post in this thread) as well as PPE that might have resulted in less bruising arising from the type mistake that can get any of us, no matter how careful we are most of the time.

No one argues that practice habits are not important as well, I think it just goes with saying for many of us. But it seems that when these issues come up, as sure as Old Faithful erupts forth its geyser, *certain* firearms instructor types (not all...most are pretty sharp fellows) come out of the woodwork to create a liberal straw-bogeyman and then paint those that are for PPE as unmanly since they themselves did it different in firearms school or when they taught. This is not guns and the world is not a firing range.

I have worked in many environments where safety, both practice & precautions are paramount, from industrial sites to labs to ballistic test facilities to boomers to tactical training ranges. I've had plenty of gun training, tactical and basic, for offensive and defensive use, in places like Pensacola & Moyock. And while there are folks like Ed Brown & Mossad Ayoob who've forgotten more than I'll ever know, I'd venture to say that practice is more important in firearms than PPE. It's kind of silly to project this on political viewpoints, since it can easily be turned around the other way (e.g. conservative precautions-oriented practitioners vs. armchair liberal academics). Or maybe it's just that the those who can, do, those who can't...well they go pulling out their stories about what they did when teaching one thing or another unlrelated to the topic of discussion.

If I was in a place where arms were my tool, I'd wear a kevlar helmet and body armor. Or in a place where there are flames, then nomex and a fire helmet, And if someone came out to point out the obvious--that good habits of not-getting-shot or avoiding being burned were the most important things, and that I need to stop worrying about having the best protective gear, then I would think them unusually obtuse, since for most of us, those things are kind of obvious.

If you think the safest things to do is to avoid dangerous situations where you might be imperfect in your actions, then you're right...that would be safest. Otherwise, if you're willing put on your metaphorical big-boy hat and undertake sometimes dangerous tasks and duties, then there's nothing wrong with trying to pick the absolutely best big-boy hat for you to do the job in. In some cases, that "hat" might be climbing gear, in other cases, body armor. In this case, the "hat" we are discussing is actually a hat. Well, a chainsaw helmet to be exact.
 
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