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zogger
Tree Freak
OK, here are some more, perhaps you can see the detail of my near whoops better
You can see how far it jumped, and the terrain layout
the extent of the big split
the stump
Close up of the split
bonus pic...finished my fourth row of the oak tree in the front yard trims! Dang lotta wood in them branches! This stack of Fiskars Fodder is now 7.5 rows deep, the innermost row is my pile of bummer wood oddball nasty chunks from last year.
I'm letting it age some more....
It's a logbutcher post. Stray from some notion of forum orthodoxy, and he will attempt to reorient our undisciplined thoughts. Don't fight it; just permit yourself to be entertained. I'm certain he is.
Hedgerow
HACK
Spread some rep around to whom I could... Some of ya' will have to wait... I still ain't got any straight trees... But by gum if I find one, I'm gonna use a Coos Bay on it !!! 
A guy i knew got killed today.Dont know much about it just that he was felling a tree. Man it just makes me stop and think this aint no game be careful and think about what you are doing all the time. we all wont to come home at night.
Sorry to hear that.
Our region had a lot of high winds (50+ mph), and I was tempted to scout around for blowdowns. I'm glad I resisted because those winds kept coming back and would have made a hike through the forest a lot more dangerous.
Preston
Addicted to ArboristSite
Yeah that's the thing. Try to ask questions on what's right and wrong and you get some crap from the upper balcony telling the lower underlings what idiots they are. Damn the left coast sure has some "smart" tree trimmers. Tree cutting is a dangerous undertaking for sure. I've got 3 trees here I need to get down but I'm terrified of um. So they're still standing, at an angle.
RandyMac
Stiff Member
If you want advice from those who have felled trees for a living, you can leave off with the Left Coast "tree trimmer" crap.
Nuzzy
Trail Gnome
There's nothing wrong with asking questions, as long as you're not throwing jabs and insults to the people you want to be answering them.
As Harry said (maybe in the other other thread), the fact that you've been cutting as long as you have without face cuts and not producing danger trees, without realizing something was wrong is truly amazing. Seriously.
I highly suggest you obtain the book I posted in your other thread (Professional Timber Falling by Douglas Dent). It will give you a strong understanding of the cuts required to get trees safely on the ground. You'll learn the importance of different style faces and the modifications you can make; you'll learn the effects of holding wood and how to manipulate it for leaning trees; you'll learn some different ways to back cut including proper wedging. Sure, it has some stuff you or I will never use, but having an understanding of the different techniques out there is invaluable.
Preston
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I have that one coming. Thanks for the advice.
When I posted the question and told of what I did, I received few a answers of how to cure my problem, but seem to get a number of digs of just how stupid I was. Well, ignorance is bliss and I was there and I know it now. How I survived I really don't know. I didn't post about what happened to me to get slammed by the "know it alls". Just show folks how dumb and ignorant one can be. Then some ass said I was a "troll". When I ask a question and receive an answer I am very appreciative and grateful. Like you have done, I thank you. When someone throw bards and daggers I don't catch those to keep. I throw them back, so if the gentlemen in the NW care to help, I do need it. If they just like to piddle and play, keep it to themselves. I don't play that with that mess.
When I posted the question and told of what I did, I received few a answers of how to cure my problem, but seem to get a number of digs of just how stupid I was. Well, ignorance is bliss and I was there and I know it now. How I survived I really don't know. I didn't post about what happened to me to get slammed by the "know it alls". Just show folks how dumb and ignorant one can be. Then some ass said I was a "troll". When I ask a question and receive an answer I am very appreciative and grateful. Like you have done, I thank you. When someone throw bards and daggers I don't catch those to keep. I throw them back, so if the gentlemen in the NW care to help, I do need it. If they just like to piddle and play, keep it to themselves. I don't play that with that mess.
forestryworks
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Preston, while that is a good book and you should get it, I feel that Jerry Beranek's "Fundamentals of General Tree Work" should be read first; and thoroughly.
Dent's book is good, but it should come in the next step of learning about falling, in my opinion.
Beranek's book is a great, simple, easy to read introduction.
Hey Preston
If you want to learn some things this is a good place to be. Both of the books mentioned will give you some insight on how to get started. Just remember, the trees don't read the books. The books are just a guideline and, as good as they both are, especially Beranek's, they can't teach you everything you need to know.
If you have questions we'll try to answer them. Sometimes our advice is blunt and to the point...we don't spend a lot of time figuring out how to talk pretty. If our answers to your questions make you uncomfortable or hurt your feelings that's too bad...the advice is still good and still relevant. Take it or not, your choice entirely.
Most of us who work in the woods have had friends and relatives severely injured or killed doing the same things that you've been asking about. When somebody posts something that we think is stupid or dangerous we tend to respond quickly and to the point. It may not always be the most polite way but we want to get our point across before we have to read about you in the Accident and Fatalities thread.
So, stick around, ask questions, learn some good stuff. If you don't listen the only person who loses is you.
If you want to learn some things this is a good place to be. Both of the books mentioned will give you some insight on how to get started. Just remember, the trees don't read the books. The books are just a guideline and, as good as they both are, especially Beranek's, they can't teach you everything you need to know.
If you have questions we'll try to answer them. Sometimes our advice is blunt and to the point...we don't spend a lot of time figuring out how to talk pretty. If our answers to your questions make you uncomfortable or hurt your feelings that's too bad...the advice is still good and still relevant. Take it or not, your choice entirely.
Most of us who work in the woods have had friends and relatives severely injured or killed doing the same things that you've been asking about. When somebody posts something that we think is stupid or dangerous we tend to respond quickly and to the point. It may not always be the most polite way but we want to get our point across before we have to read about you in the Accident and Fatalities thread.
So, stick around, ask questions, learn some good stuff. If you don't listen the only person who loses is you.
4seasons
ArboristSite Guru
Sure seems to be a lot of poo flinging going on in this thread. If we step back and think about it for a minute I think we can all agree that we are talking about doing one of the most dangerous jobs on the planet in the safest manner possible. Any idiot can walk into a store, buy a chainsaw and start hacking into his own trees with no knowledge or training. But there are many ways to be safer and we can all learn something new and useful if we can have a civilized discussion. Note that I said safer, not safe, because you can never be completely safe when using one of the most dangerous tools man has ever made and working at the base of something that stands 50+ feet over your head while you try to put it on the ground. Even someone who is using what we would think the perfect technique to fell the tree can get into trouble from something unforeseen. Dead limbs overhead things imbedded in the stump and hollow trunks can all hurt you in a hurry all without you even knowing they are there. Even though I was taught by my dad lots of good things about how to operate a saw, I learn new and better things here all the time. Sometimes I wonder how my dad or myself weren't seriously hurt from doing some of the things that the average chainsaw wielding homeowner has done. I have also seen some "professionals" on the job doing some darn stupid things that anyone with half a brain would know is wrong. I think as a community we here at AS have a way of bringing some of these so called "professionals" to light as the true frauds that they are. But the nature of online forums we tend to be a bit more rude than we would if it were face to face dealings. Please guys remember that there are people behind those post and most are just here to learn and be entertained not berated by some online know-it-all.
To throw a bit of oil on the waters. The reason you got landed on so hard was your reporting that you never used a face cut and had been cutting for a long time. Obviously you were either a troll or hadn't bothered to learn, or even attempt to learn about falling in all those years. I myself thought "Troll" when I read your first post.
Harry K
lumberjack48
ArboristSite Operative
Preston, i fell about a million trees in the 30 yrs i logged. My grandfather was a logger and my father was a logger. How can i say this, i was over experienced, i was very care full, but i would catch my self taking risks, not taking that extra step, putting production ahead of safety.
Back in 1989 i went to work against all my rules. There was a 30 mile an hour wind which put the temp at -57, yes it was cold. I new better on this one tree, but i didn't take the wind and the cold into consternation. The tree fell on me, broke my neck, the wife had to spoon feed me for a year. I've been in the chair for 23 yrs now.
If your falling trees with out a face cut, Preston i can't even grab hold of this, what are you doing. I'm sorry but if you don't know any better then this you shouldn't be falling trees on till you get some hands on lessons. Like what was said earlier we don't want to be reading about you, Please be care full.
Back in 1989 i went to work against all my rules. There was a 30 mile an hour wind which put the temp at -57, yes it was cold. I new better on this one tree, but i didn't take the wind and the cold into consternation. The tree fell on me, broke my neck, the wife had to spoon feed me for a year. I've been in the chair for 23 yrs now.
If your falling trees with out a face cut, Preston i can't even grab hold of this, what are you doing. I'm sorry but if you don't know any better then this you shouldn't be falling trees on till you get some hands on lessons. Like what was said earlier we don't want to be reading about you, Please be care full.
Nuzzy
Trail Gnome
The only issue I can find with Beranek's book is that it can look daunting to tackle due to the size of it. Of course much of that space is dedicated to rigging and all sorts of other stuff, not just felling, but it still looks huge. Dent's is almost like a quick reading pocket guide; IMHO, it's also more fully illustrated for us visual learners. Obviously your mileage may vary.
Either way, both are great to read! And of course, Gologit is speaking truth in saying at the tree experience is paramount.
Guido Salvage
Supreme Saw Whoreder
What size bar were you using? Not to be critical, but looks like you were all over the map on your cuts.
RandyMac
Stiff Member
Humboldt cut. Used when a flush butt is needed, it saves board feet. This style will push the trunk clear of the stump. If done properly, it will prevent the dreaded stump or fiber pull that cause deductible defect.
Open face or conventional cut. The snipe insures that the trunk will leave the stump and can be offset to roll the trunk away from obstructions in the lay, close to the stump.
The block cut, used mostly in the bigger timber, useful for controlling how the tree falls, not just a directional cut.
Open face or conventional cut. The snipe insures that the trunk will leave the stump and can be offset to roll the trunk away from obstructions in the lay, close to the stump.
The block cut, used mostly in the bigger timber, useful for controlling how the tree falls, not just a directional cut.
paccity
Addicted to ArboristSite
randy, don't you wish you had that mac in the humbolt pic #2. and yes thats how it's done. thank's randy for posting them.
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