Only an idiot can look at the facts and still deny them.
My First Flippy Cap Incident.....
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Only an idiot can look at the facts and still deny them.
Slamm
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The only noteworthy fact is there are people, myself included that forget to screw the flippy cap into the tank and therefore the fluid leaks out.
That is in stark contrast to most flippy cap complainers, because we just admit that we failed and didn't install the cap, instead of blaming it on the actual flippy cap for not installing itself. That is the most noteworthy fact there is about Flippy Caps, the rest is just the same 35 people out of 1 million, that won't own up to the fact that they forget to screw the cap in or the flippy cap somehow outsmarts them.
To fail to screw in a cap is human, to fail to screw in a cap and then blame the cap for not holding the fluid in, is petty and juvenile.
I failed to screw in the cap on my bar oil jug one morning, had to spend the rest of the morning setting it perfectly upright so I didn't loose my oil and have to go back to the truck ..................... I didn't blame the jug's cap for that fail.
Sam
Man Sam; I would have blamed cap on that bar oil jug in a heart beat ! :jester:
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c5rulz
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You guys who say that problems with flippy caps are 100% operator can K^A. My neighbor has a Stihl pole saw that I use frequently and do the maintenance on the things because he is mechanically challenged. The flippy caps on this thing generally can't be seated in under a minute. They are just brutal to use.:msp_angry:
I have not encountered this on newer Stihl saws. My point is some flippy caps are much awfuler, (new word just for Stihl) than others.
Flippy caps are still Stihl's answer to something that was not a problem. I too bought a Husky 346XP to avoid them. BTW, the 346 is sweet, but it leaks bar oil when it sits.:bang:
So there, Stihls leak before you fire them up, Huskys leak after your done.
Before I retired we had an acronym for problems like this. It didn't make people feel better but it made me laugh. When someone pictched a hissy fit, I would say, "IELALRMF". (pronounced Ile armf), It stands for, Into every life, a little rain must fall. I found the IELALRMF proclumation seldom calmed tempers.:msp_biggrin:
I have not encountered this on newer Stihl saws. My point is some flippy caps are much awfuler, (new word just for Stihl) than others.
Flippy caps are still Stihl's answer to something that was not a problem. I too bought a Husky 346XP to avoid them. BTW, the 346 is sweet, but it leaks bar oil when it sits.:bang:
So there, Stihls leak before you fire them up, Huskys leak after your done.
Before I retired we had an acronym for problems like this. It didn't make people feel better but it made me laugh. When someone pictched a hissy fit, I would say, "IELALRMF". (pronounced Ile armf), It stands for, Into every life, a little rain must fall. I found the IELALRMF proclumation seldom calmed tempers.:msp_biggrin:
twoclones
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I've twice had to replace flippy caps because the O ring seemed to have swollen to the point I could barely get them out of the fuel tank. Always on the MS-200.
old-cat
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My first STIHL saw was an MS 290, the flippies are totally trouble free and idiot proof on that saw. My next STIHL was an MS 250, the gas flippie is good to go but the oil flippie is a bit tricky, its different than the 290. Then I got an MS 361 with flippies just like my 290. Then one day, as usual, I gas it first, then fill the oil, but this time my boss was driving up, so as soon as I had the oil topped up, I turned the saw up and instantly my pu tailgate was a slimy mess!
Tell me about operator madness!
Tell me about operator madness!
Cbird14
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Dang! I can feel the hostility from everybody up here in the nort country. I say if u have no flippy cap problems. Great.
If u do go buy a jonsered, husky, dolmar, ect ect ect. As I've learned from this site u can never have too many.
I personally haven't had any problems with my dads stihl pole saw flippy caps but don't like the caps regardless.
I run red. Always have alway will. No screw in cap problems to date.
If u do go buy a jonsered, husky, dolmar, ect ect ect. As I've learned from this site u can never have too many.
I personally haven't had any problems with my dads stihl pole saw flippy caps but don't like the caps regardless.
I run red. Always have alway will. No screw in cap problems to date.
Undy
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I wrote:
Yeah, see? It's not just me with a MS-250 oil cap!! The original MS-250 oil caps suck.
As proof, I submit that I just bought a new replacement cap, and they've changed the design somewhat. (I didn't break the new one in half just to see if it's as flimsy as the first one was, but it's decidedly different.) And yes, they were both Stihl parts, not aftermarket.
(ps Interesting forum. I'd never have imagined that I'd see 6 pages of comments about flippy caps.)
(ps Interesting forum. I'd never have imagined that I'd see 6 pages of comments about flippy caps.)
Wait until they start discussing mix ratios...six pages is just the warm up.
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Wait until they start discussing mix ratios...six pages is just the warm up.
I run 41.02564103:1 and only synthetic, no dino-oil in the engine for me... that stuff is only good for bars, chains, and door hinges...
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Winchester356
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Me too!
Winchester356
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Well that is certainly one way of looking at it.
I always figured that those of a lesser mental capacity required more instruction to accomplish the same tasks that others just seem to pick up naturally or with less issues. I think the Stihl engineers and document writers have shown an incredible amount of patience by providing additional reading materials as learning aids for those that can't just simply figure out how to work a simple cap, like the rest of the population.
My kids can figure out how to operate the flippy cap. Here is an instructional video for those that can't figure it out. If its too fast for some of you then use the pause button or slow motion.
Sam
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Bermie
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Ahhh, flippy cap thread, I'm away for months and come back to a flippy cap thread, its like I've never been away!
Right then...on my new 250, I broke a flippy cap in half...cost $15 to replace. I sold the saw, bought a 260 pro...got to be careful seating the oil cap, its stiff.
New 200t, no problems initially, then as time and wear and tear played in, the oil cap became not so easy to install every time. From time to time it needed extra pressure to get it to seat properly before the final twist...clean it out with gas, works for a while.
The 290 is ok so far...6 yr old saw
The fuel flippys have a molded arrow, the oil flippys don't, at least the first ones...
I've had oil spills and one gas spill, should know better, one has to double check the tempermental flippys before heading back to work.
I reckon there is a slight difference in manufacture in some of them, so they don't work well from the get go, then some get stiff with wear and tear, dust, chips etc.
If you've had a good one from the start, well, fantastic, but they are NOT foolproof.
Right then...on my new 250, I broke a flippy cap in half...cost $15 to replace. I sold the saw, bought a 260 pro...got to be careful seating the oil cap, its stiff.
New 200t, no problems initially, then as time and wear and tear played in, the oil cap became not so easy to install every time. From time to time it needed extra pressure to get it to seat properly before the final twist...clean it out with gas, works for a while.
The 290 is ok so far...6 yr old saw
The fuel flippys have a molded arrow, the oil flippys don't, at least the first ones...
I've had oil spills and one gas spill, should know better, one has to double check the tempermental flippys before heading back to work.
I reckon there is a slight difference in manufacture in some of them, so they don't work well from the get go, then some get stiff with wear and tear, dust, chips etc.
If you've had a good one from the start, well, fantastic, but they are NOT foolproof.
WidowMaker1
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lol. yeah but at least husky don't use the toy flippys on there top range saws like stihl does . :hmm3grin2orange:
No flippy cap on the 660. Yet.
WidowMaker1
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Thats why the 660 is the best stihl saw, I would buy a 660 anyday ...as do most loggers, zero flippys in the forestry around my area, its all 660 or 390/395, and some 372 for working the dumps.. ..
Slamm
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I don't have tattoos, never saw the point in them.
I have had upwards of about 18+ flippy caps from a Kombi 130 and 260 to the 441's and had to replace one in 361. I log and have cutters that work for me from time to time, so there have been literally thousands and thousands of cycles on the flippy caps in my neck of the woods, and I have had now problems with them, nothing.
In all honesty, I've replaced more screw caps on a 064, 660 and 084 than I have the flippy caps.
So what am I suppose to do, look at those statistics and say they are a dumb idea? I'm just not that illogical.
If they broke or leaked or I myself was too dumb to figure them out, or if I had to hold bi-monthly classes with the workers to get them to full understand their operation, I could see hating the flippy caps, but I've never personally met anyone that couldn't operate one easily with 100% success everytime.
So its just hard for me to have a problem with something that I don't have a problem with, surely you will understand.
Sam
A Haiku
The flippy cap sucks.
The snappy part won't click down.
Must adjust it first
