Tossed Cord?
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CRThomas
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So your telling me if my custniche three of say they want a rank of firewood delivered then I have say sorry oh asking me to break the law. That is joke I ask the forestry boss about he somebody is feeding a line
A rank is 4 ft by 8 ft by 16 inchs
In my area we use a rank 4 ft by 8 ft by 16 inches three of those become a cord 4 ft by 8 ft by 4 ft I am going to use that measurement because my customers tell me what they want my customers are always right
zogger
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Around here what you see advertised for sale (bulk) is a load. Mostly. Generic pickup load, however that works out, depends on the pickup. Cord is rarely used, even face cord or rick, etc is rarely used.
ChoppyChoppy
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Until this thread I had never even heard of a "rank".
Around here there are a few people trying to hawk pickup loads, some even claim it's a cord or something... like this ad..
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/for/4584420470.html
I have no issue with it being called a truck load, but it's not correct to be called a cord.
I'm willing to bet that load is barely pushing 1/2 a cord.
Just asking for upset customers when they stack it and figure out they got shorted by a bunch.
But to get back on point, it will be very tough to ACCURATELY know what your have for wood amount with it just tossed or dropped in. I can safely say that you will rarely be exactly spot on. I would err on the generous side if you can afford to do so.
Otherwise spend the time and stack it.
Around here there are a few people trying to hawk pickup loads, some even claim it's a cord or something... like this ad..
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/for/4584420470.html
I have no issue with it being called a truck load, but it's not correct to be called a cord.
I'm willing to bet that load is barely pushing 1/2 a cord.
Just asking for upset customers when they stack it and figure out they got shorted by a bunch.
But to get back on point, it will be very tough to ACCURATELY know what your have for wood amount with it just tossed or dropped in. I can safely say that you will rarely be exactly spot on. I would err on the generous side if you can afford to do so.
Otherwise spend the time and stack it.
ChoppyChoppy
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No, you sell them a 1/3 of a cord.
Just the same way if you go to the gas station and put 10.5 gallons of gas in your car, you buy 10 full gallons and 1/2 of another one.
There is nothing in those laws that says you can only sell full cords, just that a cord is the unit of measurement to use.
Just the same way if you go to the gas station and put 10.5 gallons of gas in your car, you buy 10 full gallons and 1/2 of another one.
There is nothing in those laws that says you can only sell full cords, just that a cord is the unit of measurement to use.
CRThomas
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My buddy said some people call and say I want a load of wood what would that measurement be A guy at Hicks sells a little pile of wood for $29.95 how would you measure that
woodchuck357
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As stated, a rick is a stack of wood 4 feet tall by 8 feet long. It has no set volume, the length of the sticks can vary according to the customer or the cutter, and it is still a rick. The wood seller is usually told by the customer " I want a rick of 18 inch wood" and he gets a stack of wood that is 4 x 8 x 18 inches.
I have never knew anyone around here turning logs into firewood unless it was rejects from a mill. The cost of the wood is usually for standing trees that aren't good enough to go to the sawmill.
woodchuck357
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In Arkansas the only LEAGLE way to advertise wood for sale by law is cord or portion thereof. Every add I see is offering wood by the rick.
ChoppyChoppy
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Logs = felled/limbed trees. Could be used for a sawmill, firewood, whatever.
The couple sawmills around here are small outfits, couple people deep maybe a woodmizer type mill.
The couple sawmills around here are small outfits, couple people deep maybe a woodmizer type mill.
CRThomas
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Around were I live you will get less for lumber logs than selling it for firewood a 30 inch log 12 ft no knots v grade might get $25.00 split it bundle it get $400.00 to $500.00
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Valley firewood how much is this? 2 and a half dozen?
Is that 30 or 8? It's just like firewood. No matter how you sell it you still need to know the 3rd measurement for wood. You need to know how long the wood is due to all the different sizes of wood burning appliances out there. Try delivering to someone a cord of wood that is 24" long and see how you make out when they have a 16" stove.
Is that 30 or 8? It's just like firewood. No matter how you sell it you still need to know the 3rd measurement for wood. You need to know how long the wood is due to all the different sizes of wood burning appliances out there. Try delivering to someone a cord of wood that is 24" long and see how you make out when they have a 16" stove.
CRThomas
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My trailer is about the same size it holds a cord with a test load then weight measureing dry 3800 lbs of ash.
CRThomas
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Where I live this area is a rank only or a third of a cord or a face cord. People will want to argue about that size but thats the way it is here another measurement is a tossed 8 ft pickup truck load with no side boards. I only use a cord when I back my trailer up to the bundler. I get between 300 and 400 bundles mini $2.50 a bundle that comes to around $800.00 to a $1000.00 a cord. Customers want special order bundles they get up to $10.00 a bundle. If you live in the right area for it you can make a very nice income year round. When you go into the bundled firewood you for get about heat bundled firewood it is for looks in your fire place or patio wood burner or to get greene wood started that some low life told you it was dry.
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Mudd, you're going to go with a thread from 2010? The news article is long gone, there was no actual result posted and no outcome that I can see. I just glanced thru the thread looks to me like he was selling face cords and she was buying full cords. The dollars worked out close to local rates for the amount of wood she got. Other than that it's the same old story from women ---------- they never get enough wood for what they put out. 
ding ding.
I need a better example. How many cords of wood are sold in Merica every day and we have 1 "story" ? How many firewood sellers are out there, 1000's or millions? I'll take my chances.
ding ding.I need a better example. How many cords of wood are sold in Merica every day and we have 1 "story" ? How many firewood sellers are out there, 1000's or millions? I'll take my chances.
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Another cord thread, eh? A full cord is 128cu.ft, stacked neatly with as little airspace as possible between the pieces. A thrown cord will have a bit more airspace so you have to round up "a bit". I'd say 150-170cu. ft is definitely in the neighborhood.
Measuring the exact volume of a cord with water...sounds like something the government would require, lol.
Measuring the exact volume of a cord with water...sounds like something the government would require, lol.
Cantoo, I know that you know a cord is 128cuft. I just did a quick google and that old thread was one of the first to pop up. The Charge was Theft by Deception. Seller claimed 7 cord, buyer received 2.5 cord. Not reading the article, I dont know if seller was selling 7 face cord, ricks, ranks or some other meaningless measure that doesnt give a true measure of quantity. Supposedly he was selling cords and didnt deliver the amount paid for. Hence the charge theft by deception. Whether he meant face cords or real cords, or whatever his intent was, there was enough evidence to support being charged. There is certainly enough evidence that there have been plenty of complaints about people passing off odd measures, such as face cord, ricks and ranks, as cords, that some States have passed laws as to what constitutes a correct measure of wood. I realize that there are lots of people that dont know what a cord of wood really is. There's enough threads about it on this forum to support that statement, as well as plenty of folks selling oddball measurements and calling them cords. I also realize the difficulties in accurately measuring the amount of wood being delivered or received. The water trick is a little bit of an extreme way to measure firewood.
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1993-11-25/news/1993329077_1_firewood-cord-of-wood-straub
http://cg.capitalgazette.com/news/f...cle_752404a3-56ec-51bb-befc-54c38ec530f8.html
A couple more, both also older. But enough to say you can be charged and some do get charged.
http://cg.capitalgazette.com/news/f...cle_752404a3-56ec-51bb-befc-54c38ec530f8.html
A couple more, both also older. But enough to say you can be charged and some do get charged.
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Yeah, they are old but I still say there are very very few convictions, maybe some charges but few convictions. I also say that maybe the buyer should be at fault too. Buying firewood is like buying stuff at an auction sale, you better know what the item is worth or you might pay too much. Some of those stories were just idiots, bought 5 cords and ended up with 9/10 of a cord that's just stupid. I wish I knew buyers that were that clueless, I would sell them Super Wood for that price. Did you also read about how many gas pumps were off?
I agree, lots of buyers dont know what they are getting and its usually to late once they figure it out.
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