661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?

[bwalker]

But... but... the question was... Why should I??

Why should I trust the Japanese or Europeans to certify the oil I use?? Why would I even care what they certify?? Why would I even pay attention??
Yeah, not only is it apparent, it's also obvious I couldn't give an owl squat less what the Japanese or Europeans do or certify.
The question is... why should I?? Why should I care one wit about some arbitrary Japanese or European "standard"??
Are we now gonna' let overseas policy and standards dictate United States policy and standards??

Not only do I not care about Japanese or European oil standards... I flat friggin' ignore them... and I sure-as-hell ain't gonna' attach any credibility to them. Trying to tell me I need Japanese or European certification on the oil I use is like tryin' to tell me my life ain't complete without a Twitter account... once I stop laughin' long enough to realize you're not joking, I'll tell ya' you're an idiot. Just because an oil ain't "certified" don't necessarily mean it wouldn't pass the testing... it likely means it just ain't been submitted for testing (and likely because the producer couldn't give an owl squat less what the Japanese or Europeans do or certify... and certainly ain't gonna' give 'em credibility by paying 'em for the privilege).

What a friggin' joke‼ Go ahead, keep believin' in magic... gimmick salesman just love customers like you (I should know... I've sold my share of gimmicks).
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You make alot of ASSUMPTIONS...all wrong of course.
If your happy paying top dollar for crap, have at it.

 

[bwalker]

Yeah no doubt. I'm sure most of these good oils would be fine at 50:1. I'm just curious what some will do at higher ratios.

Damage happens over time. I think I mentioned that I owned and operated a fleet of around 30 yamaha outboards. When ran at 100:1 as yamaha suggests they seem to lose power by two seasons of commercial use. Running the same motors at 50:1 they didn't seem to loose power when they were spun off after 3 seasons.
I did have a yam 3 cycle 30hp that I ran for 7 years using both its oil injection and premixed fuel at 50:1 for 4 years and 100:1 for 3 years. Never fouled a plug and it is still running for the person I sold it to. Those yam 30 where great motors though..

 

[Ron660]

Talked to a Logger yesterday about saws and oil ratios. He's been using saws for over 30 years and prefers Husky 372's. He said his 372's lasted between 1.5 - 2 years mixing a 50:1 ratio. He decided to try 25:1 and now he's getting close to 5 years. He averages 8 chainsaw tanks a day.

 

[LowVolt]

 

[Moparmyway]

Ok is it ok to mix mix say bel ray and k2
You have bel ray in tank and run out in can can you add k2 mix in with bel ray mix


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I wouldn't hesitate to dump it in there
Heck ......... I am mixing R50 and 800 off road together in one saw and it seems to like it, I might just run it in everything

 

[Ron660]

I wouldn't hesitate to dump it in there
Heck ......... I am mixing R50 and 800 off road together in one saw and it seems to like it, I might just run it in everything

Now you have R425 off-road

 

[mdavlee]

Damage happens over time. I think I mentioned that I owned and operated a fleet of around 30 yamaha outboards. When ran at 100:1 as yamaha suggests they seem to lose power by two seasons of commercial use. Running the same motors at 50:1 they didn't seem to loose power when they were spun off after 3 seasons.
I did have a yam 3 cycle 30hp that I ran for 7 years using both its oil injection and premixed fuel at 50:1 for 4 years and 100:1 for 3 years. Never fouled a plug and it is still running for the person I sold it to. Those yam 30 where great motors though..

It may take a while to score or seize one at 100:1 even milling.

 

[redbull660]

We could a straight gas test as well!

one on 87 octane
one on 92 octane
and
one on 87 octane WITH enthanol

ONE of those has to be better! We could take bets on which one lasts the longest!


Just ordered some Motul 800 off road

 

[Trx250r180]

You guys are nuts

 

[mdavlee]

You guys are nuts

Just now figuring this out?

 

[Whitespider]

You make alot of ASSUMPTIONS...all wrong of course.

Ummm... no...
That whole post was a question... or a series of questions... no assumptions of any sort.
And you still ain't answered the most important one... or any of them for that matter.
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[Deleted member 83629]

You guys are nuts

they are nuttier than a fruitcake.

 

[redbull660]

concerning reading the spark plug as an indicator of running rich or lean or right on - I guess I failed to mention that, I told them all that 661 was auto tune.

So if the saw is auto tune. Could the spark plug be used as a gauge to determine if you are running to rich or lean or correctly? If not, why?

 

[bwalker]

concerning reading the spark plug as an indicator of running rich or lean or right on - I guess I failed to mention that, I told them all that 661 was auto tune.

So if the saw is auto tune. Could the spark plug be used as a gauge to determine if you are running to rich or lean or correctly? If not, why?

No, and I mentioned why earlier.

 

[SAWMIKAZE]

Talked to a Logger yesterday about saws and oil ratios. He's been using saws for over 30 years and prefers Husky 372's. He said his 372's lasted between 1.5 - 2 years mixing a 50:1 ratio. He decided to try 25:1 and now he's getting close to 5 years. He averages 8 chainsaw tanks a day.

Husqvarnas last that long ?...huh..thats funny , i thought that was a STIHL thing

 

[KG441c]

Is carbon on top of the piston normal and why?

 

[redbull660]

Oil needs to be exchanged. Viscosity may prevent failure, but the down side of lean mix ratios like 50:1 is the lack of oil exchange. Think of it like running your vehicle for a year without changing the oil. This terminology was used in the links I provide 100 pages back. If an oil can't be ran effectively at 32:1 it's not going in my equipment.

Asking sales reps questions about the product they sell is comical, much like this thread.

Andy is spot on in regards to the oil exchange thing. High viscosity is no replacement for quantity and has quit a few down sides like burning dirty/ heavy deposits.

that is what you guys don't get.

The Quantity isn't the same.

32:1 yamalube 2R doesn't have as much oil in the gas can as 32:1 motul 800 2t

yamalube has AT LEAST 10% LESS oil in the gas can as motul 800 2t if used in same ratio. Makes a difference. and yeah 10% is a lot.

No, and I mentioned why earlier.

Looked at your previous posts. I don't see a reason given.

 

[Andyshine77]

that is what you guys don't get.

The Quantity isn't the same.

32:1 yamalube 2R doesn't have as much oil in the gas can as 32:1 motul 800 2t

yamalube has AT LEAST 10% LESS oil in the gas can as motul 800 2t if used in same ratio. Makes a difference. and yeah 10% is a lot.

You're 100% correct, that's exactly how it works.

 

[blsnelling]

I had a new MS660 pulling 12K in the cut on K2 @ 40:1 yesterday. It still runs

 

[tree monkey]

I gave up reading this thread on page 173
I have a 440 that has well over 1000 gallons of gas through it
no signs of wear on the rings, piston or bearings
i'm using a tcw3 oil since new at 32-1
it's also ported
schaeffers two stroke