treeslayer2003
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oly i think he said the opposite..........
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treeslayer2003
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Yes there are. Hence the need for a few to drop the logger vs firewood cutter and west coast vs the world drama.
treeslayer2003
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i agree, if you follow my posts you will see i have tried. some on the west do as well. we all have to try, some times it just takes a little reasoning to cool off. i as east coast faller have benefited greatly from conversations with our western friends. i bet i'm not the only one. i have been on the wood forums, some of them seem like they resent a logger there and some welcome us. however, if we see bad falling advise, we just can't help but say some thing......there is a very good reason for that, we all know of falling related injury or death.
I agree. I think people can always learn from others if they can approach things with an open mind. When minds close and accusations flow, then it's time to take a step back.
And I meant what I said about the unnecessary divide on this site. There's no Chinese wall separating the firewood and F & L forums. Yes there have been some issues with a handful of members going from one forum to another with intent to tick people off. But those involved have been spoken to.
99's seem to be turning this into a borg forum.
Just follow this example. I should have reported this in our new kumbaya age. And yes, there is a wall separating the forums. One is Forestry and Logging, and the other is woodcutting. There is a difference. Lawnmowers are not acceptable logging equipment. Farm tractors flip over. Mills don't buy 2 foot chunks of wood. Please enlighten us on how both are the same.
Here is an example which should have been cited in the now locked conversation. I'm sure I can find more. I have more time than the guys like Blitzer who are out actually professionally logging, and coming home tired, with things to do and then get up and repeat it the next day. Speaking of "childishness" read this.
http://www.arboristsite.com/community/threads/ignore-list.273570/
Just follow this example. I should have reported this in our new kumbaya age. And yes, there is a wall separating the forums. One is Forestry and Logging, and the other is woodcutting. There is a difference. Lawnmowers are not acceptable logging equipment. Farm tractors flip over. Mills don't buy 2 foot chunks of wood. Please enlighten us on how both are the same.
Here is an example which should have been cited in the now locked conversation. I'm sure I can find more. I have more time than the guys like Blitzer who are out actually professionally logging, and coming home tired, with things to do and then get up and repeat it the next day. Speaking of "childishness" read this.
http://www.arboristsite.com/community/threads/ignore-list.273570/
treeslayer2003
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hey svk, wanna hear the really silly part? most loggers make and use fire wood lol.
Keep trying to drive that wedge Slowp. You have been one of the major contributors to the problem I referenced.
Pretending that you are above someone else because of your job title is senseless. Everyone puts on their pants one leg at a time.
I know a guy who singlehandedly does 250 cords of firewood a year (combination of hand split and with a basic hydro), does arborist work, and logs. He is a great contributor to both of the forums we are talking about. But a few members are too busy thumping their chests to notice good people like this. I guess it's their loss.
Just so's you know most times it feels like firewood vs loggers, and the world vs the west coast, all depends on who's side your on.
The folks that listen tend to come around to physics those that don't start name calling and whining in general... Most folks are too stubborn too listen to facts, and go off what their ego or friends tell them... it can cause problems. By and large Loggers and those involved in forestry don't have time for ego's or stubborness when it comes to safety (we get stubborn on finishing an impossible job), and we tend to call people out on dumb **** before someone gets killed, most times its taken the wrong way, because of said ego...
And yeah I burn wood too, and have for 3 decades, and wrench on all my own saws (unless I don't have time then I pay for it which is more and more often)
Yep. The guy who is cutting my family tree farm spends all of breakup doing firewood. And one of the brothers from probably the biggest logging family in my area is also the biggest firewood seller.
I'm all about letting someone know in no uncertain terms if they are about to do something that could put anyone in harms way.
At the same point if a weekend firewood cutter wants to hang out with the big boys to maybe learn a few things, a few need to check their attitudes and drop the condescending crap like "99'ers" or a multitude of other terms to meant to belittle a noob. I tell you what: I've learned that if you are the most inexperienced person in a room then you need to shut up and listen. I can't tell you the hundreds of hours I spent listening to dad, grandpa, uncles, and older friends talk about life experiences over a round of drinks or coffee. Same thing goes for a forum.
We don't mind non loggers showing up and asking questions. We'll help if we can. But when they show up, ask a question and then argue with the advice they're given we do tend to get a little riled.
A lot of times they're not really asking for advice anyway, they're asking us to validate some goofy and terribly unsafe idea that they've come up with. When we don't they get upset. Tough.
See the problem?
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treeslayer2003
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The thing is there have been loads of folks come to the F+L side with complete noob questions, most have been cordially welcomed by the loggers or politely redirected to wherever (firewood or chainsaw mostly)
Then there are the dingbats that want to come in and talk about climbing 300' yellow cedars in the 90's and topping them at 250' with enough room to pitch a tent.... in which case we call BS... cause we know better. (usually by asking who they worked for and where etc... often met with blatant lies)
The fun one are folks with a sure deal in logging just need 17 morons to foot the bill and work for free...
Or the dudes that traipse on over from wherever just to troll, and continue a temper tantrum that started elsewhere on the site... which can be fun... cause trolling a troll is just highlarious
There are also a pile of folks getting mislead on other forums when asking questions that should really be asked on the F+L forum... a chainsaw question on homeowner help or a tree falling question on firewood/chainsaw....
Then there are the dingbats that want to come in and talk about climbing 300' yellow cedars in the 90's and topping them at 250' with enough room to pitch a tent.... in which case we call BS... cause we know better. (usually by asking who they worked for and where etc... often met with blatant lies)
The fun one are folks with a sure deal in logging just need 17 morons to foot the bill and work for free...
Or the dudes that traipse on over from wherever just to troll, and continue a temper tantrum that started elsewhere on the site... which can be fun... cause trolling a troll is just highlarious
There are also a pile of folks getting mislead on other forums when asking questions that should really be asked on the F+L forum... a chainsaw question on homeowner help or a tree falling question on firewood/chainsaw....
But is he in the logging business? Are you? Have you worked out in the woods, cruising timber, marking trees to harvest, making things all come together? There's quite a difference and you seem to be thin skinned.
http://www.arboristsite.com/community/threads/cutting-a-havy-leaner.278415/page-2
I cut firewood. You cut firewood. But this is not the firewood thread and when somebody comes on and starts "posing" it can be dangerous--look up HBRN and his advice.
I guess the wannabees can pose away. The rest of us can figure out who is a fake.
Logging is not arborist work. Aren't there forums for that? I don't go on those forums because.....I AM NOT AN ARBORIST. Simple. If I went on that forum and started giving bad advice, I'd get skewered.
Chest thumping? That's a bit of overkill. I'd call it, Real World Experience. There's a difference. And, if I had such a thin skin, I would not have survived working in such a testosterone filled environment. Warning: Chest thumping is about to begin after I put on my cup bra.
Here's how it works on the job for a forester. You show up the first time. The crew guys spit and scowl and don't say much. You don't say much. You go about your job after asking those guys what hazards are around--haulback lines and such. You come out and do your job. Pretty soon, they'll say good morning. Eventually, if you do your job in a professional manner, use common sense, and pack a choker out that you found, you are accepted as much as a forester can be and they'll work a bit harder to make the job turn out as planned.
We all come out of the brush tired, maybe cranky, and bruised. Not many people can do that kind of work anymore. If you haven't, you cannot understand the mentality.
http://www.arboristsite.com/community/threads/cutting-a-havy-leaner.278415/page-2
I cut firewood. You cut firewood. But this is not the firewood thread and when somebody comes on and starts "posing" it can be dangerous--look up HBRN and his advice.
I guess the wannabees can pose away. The rest of us can figure out who is a fake.
Logging is not arborist work. Aren't there forums for that? I don't go on those forums because.....I AM NOT AN ARBORIST. Simple. If I went on that forum and started giving bad advice, I'd get skewered.
Chest thumping? That's a bit of overkill. I'd call it, Real World Experience. There's a difference. And, if I had such a thin skin, I would not have survived working in such a testosterone filled environment. Warning: Chest thumping is about to begin after I put on my cup bra.
Here's how it works on the job for a forester. You show up the first time. The crew guys spit and scowl and don't say much. You don't say much. You go about your job after asking those guys what hazards are around--haulback lines and such. You come out and do your job. Pretty soon, they'll say good morning. Eventually, if you do your job in a professional manner, use common sense, and pack a choker out that you found, you are accepted as much as a forester can be and they'll work a bit harder to make the job turn out as planned.
We all come out of the brush tired, maybe cranky, and bruised. Not many people can do that kind of work anymore. If you haven't, you cannot understand the mentality.
There will always be those types of folks. It's human nature.
There was a guy who trolled the firewood forum every few weeks looking for free firewood from some small town in PA. At first a few members tried to help him but he wasn't willing to work to get the wood. Then came the smarty pants answers and finally people just ignored him. Last I saw he was over at a different forum doing the same thing. Moral of the story? Those people move on so don't let them ruin it for the genuine folks who do want your help and respect what they have to say.
treeslayer2003
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i think some of the members have been here long enough to have seen all kinds come in here.......some of us have not as of yet, maybe we are a little to trusting, but i have to give benefit of a doubt at first.
