The "Not So Pro" discussion thread...of course Pros are welcome!

[Gologit]

I tell you what: I've learned that if you are the most inexperienced person in a room then you need to shut up and listen.

Heed your own advice. We could do with a lot less preaching. If we offend somebody I'm sure they'll go crying to the mods and then you can take whatever action is necessary.
In the mean time, come down off your holier than thou soapbox and pay attention. You can learn things here...if you want to.

 

[northmanlogging]

I try to answer even the dumbest repeat question...

I just don't visit the other areas anymore

 

[HuskStihl]

OK, so as a land-clearing hack, which is one step below a firewood hack I will say......I will frequently see somebody posting about doing something foolish in another part of the forum. I will often "page" some of my more experienced brethren to help out with advice. Usually the advice is well taken, but occasionally somebody gets bent out of shape and starts a "pompous PNW logger" thing. I have yet to see one of these guys just show up and start crap. People do stuff which is monumentally unsafe and then brag that they have done it. If I can see that it isn't a good idea, it is likely pretty obvious. As a rule, people hate being told the thing they are so proud of wasn't actually done properly. Sometimes they get defensive. It is hard to say "listen, this is my job, I do this every day, I know you have been on the google machine, but you gotta trust that I know more about this than you do" without sounding like an *******. I have to say the exact same thing at the day job at least once a week, and I know how it sounds, but sometimes there's no good way around it

 

[northmanlogging]

OK, so as a land-clearing hack, which is one step below a firewood hack I will say......I will frequently see somebody posting about doing something foolish in another part of the forum. I will often "page" some of my more experienced brethren to help out with advice. Usually the advice is well taken, but occasionally somebody gets bent out of shape and starts a "pompous PNW logger" thing. I have yet to see one of these guys just show up and start crap. People do stuff which is monumentally unsafe and then brag that they have done it. If I can see that it isn't a good idea, it is likely pretty obvious. As a rule, people hate being told the thing they are so proud of wasn't actually done properly. Sometimes they get defensive. It is hard to say "listen, this is my job, I do this every day, I know you have been on the google machine, but you gotta trust that I know more about this than you do" without sounding like an *******. I have to say the exact same thing at the day job at least once a week, and I know how it sounds, but sometimes there's no good way around it

EGO... can be a *****

 

[svk]

But is he in the logging business? Are you?

You know I'm not in the logging business. But the guy in reference has a boatload of experience in all aspects of the timber industry. In fact he has a hat very similar to the one posted below (btw it's not plastic) from a previous job. Can he be in your club now? Once again you are trying to say that an arborist can't be a logger and a firewood guy can't be an arborist. Sure there are learning curves but it's not like you are part of a Jedi group that puts you at a different level than the rest of us for eternity.

 

[svk]

Heed your own advice. We could do with a lot less preaching. If we offend somebody I'm sure they'll go crying to the mods and then you can take whatever action is necessary.
In the mean time, come down off your holier than thou soapbox and pay attention. You can learn things here...if you want to.

I knew you would try to twist that statement.

If I come across a redwood that needs to be cut down I will certainly consult the good members of this forum as that would be out of my area of expertise.

 

[Gologit]

I knew you would try to twist that statement.

If I come across a redwood that needs to be cut down I will certainly consult the good members of this forum as that would be out of my area of expertise.

What do you do for a living? What exactly is your area of expertise?

 

[northmanlogging]

You know I'm not in the logging business. But the guy in reference has a boatload of experience in all aspects of the timber industry. In fact he has a hat very similar to the one posted below (btw it's not plastic) from a previous job. Can he be in your club now? Once again you are trying to say that an arborist can't be a logger and a firewood guy can't be an arborist. Sure there are learning curves but it's not like you are part of a Jedi group that puts you at a different level than the rest of us for eternity.

See its posts like this that cultivate mistrust, and don't take me wrong this is just a good example.

who is this jack of all trades, invite him over... If he's avoiding this forum then why? or does he even exist and your pulling the ole well I have a friend that blah blah shtick. Or did he show up here, make big claims he couldn't back up and run away?

And 250 cord of hand or even hydro split, but hand bucked fire wood is quite the feat, unless your talking face cords then yer buddy is robbing his customers... even face cords if hand cut and say half of it hand split, hows he have time to play arborist, logger and sleep?

people come in here all the time and say well I'm such and such or I know so and so, all most of us ask is prove it...

And who cares if he has a hat like the one you pictured, you can buy em on ebay for $10. in fact I gave one away last week that I paid $1. for even had a company sticker on it

 

[HuskStihl]

You know I'm not in the logging business. But the guy in reference has a boatload of experience in all aspects of the timber industry. In fact he has a hat very similar to the one posted below (btw it's not plastic) from a previous job. Can he be in your club now? Once again you are trying to say that an arborist can't be a logger and a firewood guy can't be an arborist. Sure there are learning curves but it's not like you are part of a Jedi group that puts you at a different level than the rest of us for eternity.

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The professional fallers are better than me at falling timber. They are better than you at falling timber. They are better than arborists at falling timber. They are better than firewood guys at falling timber. They are not on a different level. They would struggle in my job. I have seen Northman and Tramp Bushler very, very humbly ask for help and advice in the arborist areas. They realize they are not as good as the arborists at doing their job. I would actually say the arborists more frequently are derogatory towards loggers than the other way around. Could I have taken a different career path and wound up as a good PNW faller? I think I could have, but I didn't. So when they talk, I listen. Except for busted-up, who I just liked to troll, cause it would get him so riled up. Have you seen RandyMac's pictures? I don't care how many cords of firewood somebody sells, when that guy is talking falling trees, you should take a seat and listen

 

[svk]

What do you do for a living? What exactly is your area of expertise?

I actually do several things for a living. But I don't normally wear Carhartts, flannel, or steel toed boots on week days.

 

[svk]

See its posts like this that cultivate mistrust, and don't take me wrong this is just a good example.

who is this jack of all trades, invite him over... If he's avoiding this forum then why? or does he even exist and your pulling the ole well I have a friend that blah blah shtick. Or did he show up here, make big claims he couldn't back up and run away?

And 250 cord of hand or even hydro split, but hand bucked fire wood is quite the feat, unless your talking face cords then yer buddy is robbing his customers... even face cords if hand cut and say half of it hand split, hows he have time to play arborist, logger and sleep?

people come in here all the time and say well I'm such and such or I know so and so, all most of us ask is prove it...

And who cares if he has a hat like the one you pictured, you can buy em on ebay for $10. in fact I gave one away last week that I paid $1. for even had a company sticker on it

If you read my first post you'd know he's already here.

 

[northmanlogging]

I actually do several things for a living. But I don't normally wear Carhartts, flannel, or steel toed boots on week days.

I hate carhartts, haven't worn flannel since Soundgarden went on vacation, have't owned steel toed boots in 15 years.

 

[svk]

The professional fallers are better than me at falling timber. They are better than you at falling timber. They are better than arborists at falling timber. They are better than firewood guys at falling timber. They are not on a different level. They would struggle in my job. I have seen Northman and Tramp Bushler very, very humbly ask for help and advice in the arborist areas. They realize they are not as good as the arborists at doing their job. I would actually say the arborists more frequently are derogatory towards loggers than the other way around. Could I have taken a different career path and wound up as a good PNW faller? I think I could have, but I didn't. So when they talk, I listen. Except for busted-up, who I just liked to troll, cause it would get him so riled up. Have you seen RandyMac's pictures? I don't care how many cords of firewood somebody sells, when that guy is talking falling trees, you should take a seat and listen

And again it goes back to my post about how everyone can learn from others if they have an open mind.

 

[northmanlogging]

If you read my first post you'd know he's already here.

You mean Gypo?

Or yerself? Cause I taint got no fancy Mod thing telling me who's reading this forum

Is sure as Hel ain't Huskstihl.

 

[Gologit]

I actually do several things for a living. But I don't normally wear Carhartts, flannel, or steel toed boots on week days.

You mean that this isn't you? We all thought it was. Darn.

 

[KenJax Tree]

Hey can we leave the arborists out of this[emoji1]

 

[HuskStihl]

You mean Gypo?

Or yerself? Cause I taint got no fancy Mod thing telling me who's reading this forum

Is sure as Hel ain't Huskstihl.

Disrespectful youth.

 

[northmanlogging]

This is fun and all, but I gots to go...

guess we'll see If'n I'm banned in the morning.

 

[northmanlogging]

Disrespectful youth.

Oh there there...

I just ass-u-med that your wheren't cutting 250 cords of wood with a husky... ya'd be spending to much time fixing it to get that much done

And I kinda doubt you could get yer wife up a tree to start the thing if you were playing arborist.

 

[HuskStihl]

Hey can we leave the arborists out of this[emoji1]

Too late Ken.
Actually, I kinda wish y'all would just quit for the night. Fallers are better at falling, climbers are better at climbing, lawyers are better at ****ing you over, foresters are better at drinking coffee. I really don't think anybody is saying they are "better" than anybody else, just better at their particular job. I guarantee, whatever it is SVK does, he is better at it than I am. Unless he is a male pole dancer.