460 lack of bar oil

[gregz]

Finally was able to get out and try the 460 with the new DP cover,pulled the caps reset to 13,500. Figured I would start fresh and put on a new woodsman pro chain.(my bud buys it by the roll,loves it)
Keep in mind it was cold. 25*+/_. The saw and stihl orange bottle of chain oil was warm and i l let the saw warm up. Oiler all the open with 28" bar.
After felling the oak and limbing i stopped for fuel check,thirsty saw.
Both tanks went down evenly.I did not start with full tank of gas. Topped off both tanks. Started bucking and smoked the chain. Chain dry as a bone. Did a oil check on a fresh cut and had a little spit of oil then nothing.
First thought was the cold but I finished cutting the the 66RL. This saw pours the oil like the Exxon Valdez.
Back home check out saw. Bar oil holes clear. Run saw with no bar oiler working. Throw on 24 bar . Do oil check, on cardboard just spittin alittle and not alot of oil on chain
Previous search finds problems with 460 oiler. So far not impressed with the 460. I bought this saw new in oct. and always seem to worry about chain oil. Saw never seems to have enough oil on the chain

 

[Tree Sling'r]

Are you sure the oiler is turned all the way up? And is the bar and the new Woodsman Pro chain the same pitch and gauge?

I know they are lame questions, but you would be surprised.

 

[Sprig]

Lake mentioned a bit back that the newer saws sip oil as compared to older versions when I asked about my 270 not spraying it everywhere. How dry was that oak (and yer chain looks a bit dull btw), dusty? If so you might want to keep your bar groove nice and clean as the fine dust will get in there pretty quick and staunch the flow somewhat. From the pic it looks like the bar got a bit warm, were you forcing the cut? Is the oiler adjustable?
Just a thought or two for the morning



Serge

 

[GASoline71]

Unless you get the "R" version that has the high output oiler, full wrap handlebar, and extended clutch cover... sounds like it is workin' as designed.

Gary

 

[Burvol]

My 460 drinks oil even on lower settings.

 

[GASoline71]

Depends on how new it is... the newer saws don't use as much oil anymore. Actually Stihl has designed their Oilomatic chain to aid in pickin' up oil...

Ckeck it out...

Gary

 

[blsnelling]

I have no problem with my 460 running a 28" bar buried in big Ash. Ran several tanks through it and no burns on the bar.

 

[Lakeside53]

If you use 2/3+/- tank of oil per tank of gas, it's fine. The 460 doesn't have an "oil problem" on 28 inch bars. Many out the run them with 36.


If you're really concerned, put the HO oil pump parts in.


If it's less than 10- 20F, you should be using winter bar oil.

 

[B_Turner]

If that were my bar, I would say it is running too dry and or hot.

 

[Lakeside53]

Doesn't look abnormal to me. That's not burn - it's mainly because of the oak... and I see similar on many (most) of mine and customer bars when used hard.

 

[B_Turner]

I am not saying it's abnormal, but I find with good lube and a really sharp chain I don't get that kind of deposit as much.

So for me as soon as I notice that kind of brown I check my oil holes and chain sharpness. And then one of those can usually be improved on. Unless a bar is pretty beat, I usually clean that brown off once home so that I can continue to be able to monitor.

And no offense to them, lots of even pros don't really keep their gear up like they could.

 

[Lakeside53]

I agree.. I suspect summer oil in cold temps for this case.

 

[wanab]

i agree the oilers on the new saws dont seem to put out enough oil for my taste.


cant say it causes anymore wear but the chain and bar seem to stay on the dry side. the pins seem well lubed and the chain slides in the bar nice and slick.

you chain does not look like it was overheated to me.

 

[B_Turner]

i agree the oilers on the new saws dont seem to put out enough oil for my taste.




you chain does not look like it was overheated to me.

Chain doesn't but bar looks like it got a little warm at some point. In real life it's pretty hard to not get a bar warm every now, but it's one of those things I take a little more serious than most folks think reasonable.

Maybe it's my overcompensating for the lack of control I actually have over my life.....But I get satisfaction while I am working knowing my BC are running sweet and cool.

 

[Butch(OH)]

There is something about certain oak and certain conditions? We cut down an old half dead red Oak last fall and had similar troubles with every saw we had there, 5-6 saws. When felling and bucking the big stuff with the 660 and 32" I had to pull the saw out of the cut every so often and let the oiler catch up. Had the same troubles with the 757 Shindi and our Echos that put out gobs of oil when set up to max oil. Even when we were cutting up the smaller branches with the toy saws you had to mind the chains and bars or the chains would come right down to a stop. I had never ran into this before, the bars and chains all looked just like your pic. Oil was Stihl and Echo brand. The chips were soaking up oil as fast as pumped.

 

[WildnCrazyGuy]

Depends on how new it is... the newer saws don't use as much oil anymore. Actually Stihl has designed their Oilomatic chain to aid in pickin' up oil...

Ckeck it out...

Gary

Hey GAS. Looks like you got into another oil thread. He He. You just can't get away from it...

 

[Lakeside53]

Yep.. It's like an open can of spam in front of the dog...:greenchainsaw:

 

[GASoline71]

Rats... :blush:

Gary

 

[gregz]

Hey GASoline. I'm new to this forum but couln't wait to get in a oil thread. LOL
Actually I think my problem was a few things. Cold oil. I was cold. the wind was crazy. Cutting to fast. Forgot my carharts!!Today is 32-33 snow in melting. I Threw some Thin QS dura tac in the 460 and seems to throw some oil
Thanks

 

[GASoline71]

Hey GASoline. I'm new to this forum but couln't wait to get in a oil thread. LOL

Yep... the "oil" threads are a riot...

Gary