Brits talkin about Brit stuff

[Buzzlightyear]

Acer-no comment on my post? Argueing, rationalizing, reasoning, why? Just do it, for christs sake, no wonder Britain lost its way, wankers in meetings, talking endlessly about crap instead of doing the work, they produce nothing, help no one. Don't worry about it, its happening here as well, guys in white hardhats, walking around jobs looking like twats while the men are doing the work. C'mon son, live a little.

I think he's playing devils advocate mate. I'm sure he probably does use his 020 on the ground I know i do. cspecially for fence posts.

+ your right this country is screwed. Mainly by crap legislation from the europe which they ignore prefering common sense but we blindly follow at great expense. This is mainly due to the fact that we have an HSE and most european countries don't !:censored:

 

[nohope]

Acer

Wow, well done, some very good arguments. I did quote what HSE's line was on top handles on the ground. The only place any of us get to find out what the law actually means in practice is in court. Believe it or not we do try to apply the law that is made by ministers in a reasonably sensible way (I wasn't going to rise to the jibe about me wanting to put you out of business) but at the end of the day the HSE line on this, as anything is always open to challenge in the courts.
THe health arguments appear to make sense in this case. Problems really start if you get employees to work in this way. The safe use of the saw relies on the safe system of work and the further that gets from you the harder it is to prove that people are working the way that you expected them to.
Nope, can't stop myself... I took this job to keep people in work, to try and do something about people getting injured/ made unhealthy. It is the 21st century and everybody should be able to go home with all the body parts that they went to work with, and an expectation that their health will not be put at risk by working. I take an interest in arb because I realise that it is a very specialised industry and does take some specific knowledge that not all inspectors have at their finger tips (we are expected to be jacks of all trades and to be able to go into ANY workplace) and hey of those I have met I actually like and seem to get on with you guys and aim on the whole to try an clear/ explain some of the red tape. There are some issues that HSE centrally has come up with a line on, those issues I have to state what the line is. If nothing else you know where you stand and its increased the debate and with any luck got some people thinking. I am not in the business of trying to tie people up with tape and stop them from working.

OK rant over, I feel better for that, Pint anyone?

 

[iain]

aa latest gaff

i had to laugh when i saw this weeks hort week
the AA must have run out of meeting to go too, so have joined someonelses (bali)
how to operate by the road side fukcme when was the last time u saw a boardroom table on a footpath(I can see it now
teatrolley n all )

+the insert piccy shows two guys using a premier with cones set up on a footpath
nohope puwer do you get this publication ? spot whats missing !

 

[Buzzlightyear]

Getting the job done and doing the job right are becoming separate pages in the same book. Young climbers especially those taught in further education are often bewildered and shocked at the day to day reality of contract work. If the current trends continue to constrict us in our work, then our conformity to "best working practice" with regards to climbing techniques, saw use etc is going to become an exersize in paper work only. Thus leaving us all open to prosecution on a daily basis. I would not be surprised to see a polarisation of the industry with regards to the new work at height regulations involving mewps. I know of three other climbers like myself who regard them as a tool to be used when climbing is not an option.I wonder what they have in store for us next? Our mothers having to hold our hands at all times? Common sense is needed, but even that seems to be in short supply!

Pete I agree mate......either that or you will end up with no small tree firms because of the legislation. It'll be all big firms paper shuffling using subbies for the real work lol :greenchainsaw:

 

[clearance]

Buzz, I checked out your site very cool. Those Range Rovers are only driven by yuppie women here, nice to see someone really use one. Hey, if you are a tree surgeon and you kill your patients are you struck off the list?

 

[Buzzlightyear]

Buzz, I checked out your site very cool. Those Range Rovers are only driven by yuppie women here, nice to see someone really use one. Hey, if you are a tree surgeon and you kill your patients are you struck off the list?

Lol, that's a Land Rover Defender rather than a Land Rover Range Rover if that makes sense. The Defender is /was traddtionally a farmers vehicle but has been pushed up market and is over priced as a works vehicle now, trouble is nothing quite cuts it in the rough stuff like a Defender.

They stopped exporting them to the states in '94 i believe due to your health and safety standards. Defender is a 50's design and doesn't lend itself to modern upgrades, it's going to be phased out soon

You can get Range Rovers, Discovery's (LR3 to you yanks) and Freelander in the States but that's it I believe ???

They tend to be rich mum's SUV of choice over here as well, usually found mounting the kerb on the school run rather than working for a living.

Glad you liked the site

 

[ROLLACOSTA]

Been on a pesticide course this week boom spraying pa1 pa2a ,talk about legislation,you need to fill in/construct/draw/list 5 differant peices of paper before you even think about going out to earn a crust, environtle risk assesment,job specific risk assesment,chemical assesment blah blah blah..

Anyway after a rant hows work up and down the country ,bloody cr@p around here,thats 2 months nearly over this year ,christ how long does it take for work to pick up,ohh and of course all or most local authoritys have spent there budget already

 

[Mr_Brushcutter]

Been on a pesticide course this week boom spraying pa1 pa2a ,talk about legislation,you need to fill in/construct/draw/list 5 differant peices of paper before you even think about going out to earn a crust, environtle risk assesment,job specific risk assesment,chemical assesment blah blah blah..

Anyway after a rant hows work up and down the country ,bloody cr@p around here,thats 2 months nearly over this year ,christ how long does it take for work to pick up,ohh and of course all or most local authoritys have spent there budget already

Friend of mine did Pa1 and Pa6a end of last year he showed me all the stuff you needed to know. Countryside code all these risk assessment forms made me glad i'd done CS38 rather than Pa1.

Is Pestercides cert. worth having for working in arb? Its not something i really want to do but its required to get the full ABC cert. Why did you choose boom sprayers rather than hand held?

 

[teressa green]

rolla ,terrible up here too ,giving serious thought to re training ,,,,,just gotta work out what i want to do,,,,any idaes lads ,,,,

 

[teressa green]

what about a hand car wash ,fill it with immigrants on minimum wage or less ,sit in a deck chair all day and count my money

 

[iain]

rolla ,terrible up here too ,giving serious thought to re training ,,,,,just gotta work out what i want to do,,,,any idaes lads


mmi've i have given it some thought and i think baliff's are going to be busy if a recestion bites hard

 

[Big A]

Iain, why not re-train as a bailiff then. If things are gonna be that bad, you'll be in full time work! I think you need a license from your local authority nowadays though. I think it'll soon pick up again, trees keep on growing!

 

[iain]

Iain, why not re-train as a bailiff then. If things are gonna be that bad, you'll be in full time work! I think you need a license from your local authority nowadays though. I think it'll soon pick up again, trees keep on growing!

i was responding to Tg's request for ideas. i always keep my options open! not too sure i could do that job
i agree its always tough at this time of year roll on easter

 

[blue]

things are slowish round here but slowly pickin up.had to go in cheap on alot of jobs as a local landscraper has started doing tree work himself.he always used to put the our way but brought a chipper and now thinks he's a tree surgeon.trouble is he can't price a job to save his life.goes in at half our's and other tree co's rates

 

[Big A]

ps the top of the hedge now looks like a roller-coaster!

Not THAT bad, I hope (sorry Rolla) tee-hee

 

[clearance]

Pete, one time we did a massive cedar hedge using a laser level, straight as a rifle barrel.

 

[iain]

things are slowish round here but slowly pickin up.had to go in cheap on alot of jobs as a local landscraper has started doing tree work himself.he always used to put the our way but brought a chipper and now thinks he's a tree surgeon.trouble is he can't price a job to save his life.goes in at half our's and other tree co's rates

does carry any tree liab insurance's ?

 

[ROLLACOSTA]

Friend of mine did Pa1 and Pa6a end of last year he showed me all the stuff you needed to know. Countryside code all these risk assessment forms made me glad i'd done CS38 rather than Pa1.

Is Pestercides cert. worth having for working in arb? Its not something i really want to do but its required to get the full ABC cert. Why did you choose boom sprayers rather than hand held?

Waste of time for tree work mate.The reason I choose boom spraying is because I do a bit or will of boom spraying [agricultural]...No big earner but another string to the bow...

Not got my 20k investment back yet though..

 

[ROLLACOSTA]

does carry any tree liab insurance's ?

yeh I bet his kit is loler tested,and he all nptc'ed up to the hilt..

 

[stumpy66]

the thing is about these chancers or whatever else you might call them, they do get the work, their direct baffling charm seems to get the work tied up....even if sometimes they only stay for half the money....perhaps tree folk need to try them at there own game.....to make you feel better, its always fun sending them to look at a job some distance away that isnt actually there......(just make sure you withhold your number).