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You'll see I joined the forum when I was three... about 5 years after I graduated from a mostly engineering college. ;-) ;-)

At first when you corrected me I thought BS he' not 12 but then i noticed your a train driver. 1 engineers sit around all day. Not out in the field like they should be. 2 most of the ones I know are physically active to make up for wanting to be in the field. See they want to erect the project they design but cant cause their in the office. They make It up by action sports or outdoor activities. My dad said he has seen more engineers get hurt then anyone else. What they do works on paper but in the field their lost. 3 His time. If he makes 60 an hour whats his time worth when he's not at work. He probably went to college isolating him from acquiring skills that would pay him more then 20 an hour. I said what he did was priceless because he was outdoors risking his life.

To other home owner Mr. karlp with your fancy 3/4" rope and old growth face cut, my time is priceless. When i was stacking cell towers I had a hard time telling my phone # from my pay on my paycheck. On top of that food and room were free. But I couldn't run my saw up there so I gave it up. I cut trees around the world and coast to coast.
 
sure are some fragile egos in the tree removal and logging industries!
very few industries do people get so upset when someone tries to replicate their job on their own time
funny stuff !!
 
Whats your time worth? Dont forget to minus that off your total. You your wife and whom ever helped. A veteran could have put those trees on the ground in hours and left the clean up for you. The stump at 15hrs. Average americans time is worth 13.50 an hour. You beaing an engineer ummm maybe $25-30...in your off time. Thats a spendy stump. Now things went well but if you had one slip $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. NOW that I'm done critiquing. Job well done. I see some sketchy practices but overall, kickass job dude. The fact you did research instead of call up tree companys and asked " What would you do in this application" then try to replicate it, is great. THE BIGGEST DEAL IS...... look at the size of those dozer trees guys. These arent backyard maple whips fellas. These are heavy boys. :rock:Good job and hats off for manning up. As far as time go's your in the woods working with your hands and the wifey is by your side. PRICELESS :cool2:

You trying to say your worth $13.50 sittin around watching the Tube? Your time is only worth money if you are on a paying job. Your off time is just that - off. No pay. Then it's worth what you can save. An engineering saving at the rate of $3/HR is still saving on a day when he is not making money.

Amazing - this thread is full of useless attitude. Carb has typed himself out of some paying customers I suspect?

As far as the OP, job well done. Back in the day, our forefathers had to do this stuff all the time just as part of life. Farming meant clearing the land. Winter meant woodlot work when the crops were in. Nowdays we're all specialist - not good. The OP got it done and learned a lot along the way. As an engineer he'll be a lot harder to pull the wool over if he's bidding a job that involves tree work. Goo show :)
 
I'd say there are some pretty big egos in the engineering field as well. Once upon a time homeowner's and those who did not work in the tree industry where ran off the commercial forums. Seems like that has changed over the years with every Joe Chainsaw with a Poulan wild thang likes to jump into the commercial forums (which is what Arborist Site started out as), beat their chest and crow about any tree they take down. It's comical really to those who know what this site began as. If you are not a commercial tree worker then why do you feel the need to post in the commercial forum? If I designed a swing set or jungle gym for the kids I wouldn't go pound my chest in an engineering forum. Really, this is Arborist Site and started out as a group of commercial tree workers who like to talk shop together. Do you think we are going to be happy about someone saying they did it themselves when we have been struggling and sacrificing for the past few years to keep men working?
 
As a matter of fact, I'm wondering why this is still even in the commercial forum, Should have been moved to the HO forum days ago.
 
You ain't in Comercial ...

I found this in the HO forum where I was looking for cool projects taken on by amateurs. I work as a professional for Calif State Parks in both the forestry (facilities management - means 2K acres of timber) and engineering side (storm water). But, that does not stop me from admiring a guy with cajones who takes on a challenge and gets it done :)

Although a I have a Poulan or two, I run Huskies, Jonsereds, and Echo's for work (until they came today and stripped "my" park of our tooling - budget cuts and closures :( ). I'll be looking at ways to get re-tooled as we have miles of road and utilities to maintain with mature RWD's and Firs not to mention the amount of SOD Oak we have taken down lately. They left the climbing gear, chokers, tongs and such. Also left the hand saws and all the axes. Seems the younger generation (I'm 60+) does not know what they are for :confused2:

Anyway, this has been a fun read and the 'tude has been entertaining, if a bit off putting at times :msp_thumbup:
 
I stand corrected.

This thread did start off in the commercial forum as only subscribed forums come across my desk. And I am only subscribed to commercial forums. And threads that I reply to are automatically added to my subscriptions. Thus, the thread had obviously been moved.

Good job mods.
 
Great post to the OP! Awsome job and have fun with the tractor.

To a couple of the other responces:

Since when does making more money make you less frugal? He gets to decide where and how to spend his money, not you.

If he wanted to save some dough or just get job satisfaction, THAT'S HIS CHOICE! You don't have to agree, what makes you think he CARES if you agree.

What if what if whatever! It didn't happen. If I what if'd everything, nothing would get done.

Anyway,

Constructive criticism is cool but sometimes the "you didn't do it my way" bull gets old. This guy did a job safely and is happy with the result.

I say get out there and get dirty, you sleep better at night.
 
If it's any help...

Beav, I've gotta give you credit for bravery at least. I'm too old to climb now and believe me, these bifocals make working at heights a bit iffy. I'm just thankful that you weren't injured or killed... or a tree didn't decide to land on your home.

A little history ~ back in the '80s when I was married, the brothers-in-law ran a tree service. I worked with 'em a time or three, even got to climb some. Strapping on climbing spikes and a harness to climb for the helluvit doesn't make me an arborist any more than replacing a defective light switch makes one an electrician... but it did give me an idea of what those guys dealt with every day to put food on the table.

It gave me a great respect for arborists and tree surgeons, folks who are often looked down upon by snooty homeowners in the yuppie suburbs of DC. I sure remember that. Ya tell the missus and pups that you got a gig for some linebacker for the Redskins... but ya don't tell 'em that you were treated like dog **** on the jobsite. :rolleyes:

But I digress. I'm an old DIYer from 'way back ~ have worked in industrial electrical and mechanical maintenance for better than three decades now. Aside from AC/refrigeration there's nothing in a home ~ and little in a factory I haven't had my paws in at one time or other. I fix things for a living.

With business accounts set up with industrial suppliers I was able to get the parts I needed to repair our heat pump last year. I can't afford to pay others to do these things.

That isn't putting contractors out of business, my friends. If I don't have the money I can't contract the job. :)

And if you think this industry is ego-laden you haven't visited DJ-related forums sites. We ran a pro mobile DJ company from '93 until last year when we retired. I've served mod and admin duty at a couple of DJ industry forums sites over the years and know the egos well. :D

Over here it's saws, fuel mix and mods. Over there it's software, controllers and MP3 bitrates. But the egos never change. Mine is always bigger and better than yours. ;)

Pros only? I've seen it attempted and I've seen it fail. A forums site that restricts itself to approved pros only is a waste of a vB licence. Restricted forums don't prosper or grow. A handful of pros talking to each other doesn't help anybody.

I'm new to AS myself... got back into cutting firewood last year. We ain't got all the high-end gear and accoutrements but we have what we need to get our firewood laid in. Posted some photos in the firewood forum the other day.

Folks, I don't have a 4-foot guide bar on my saw. But I'm not a logger. I don't need a 4-foot guide bar on my saw. I just cut and split firewood on a woodlot where the largest tree is maybe, 20" at the base. For us, the JD is a lawn tractor fitted with super lug tires. :D

Yep, I'll admit I've had my bar pinched a time or three. I've hung a tree. I've had springpoles. I've effed up some face cuts. But I've learned from it. I'm getting back in practice, thanks in part to this forum and others like it.

Beav and other folks in his shoes give the rest of us a sense of balance; keeping us all grounded as it were. Beav had a bunch of trees that had to go so he did the research, invested in the needed equipment and got the job done. Had things gone wrong, someone would've had to inform the Widder Beav. Thankfully, that wasn't the case.

We all started somewhere. :)
 
no it doesn't.

Gotta call bull#### on this whole deal, it doesn't add up.

he's spent more on equipment to do a job that still isn't done two years later than what it would have taken a tree service to do it all in a week.

These guys kill me. The same ones that cry poverty when you give them an estimate for a huge project. Like they thought it was going to cost $150?
 

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