old saws are neat to look at, and if you are into collecting/running them that is great too. i enjoy saws, i make my living with them. i just do not want a saw that is that is twice as heavy, and half as fast, and, boring. i am positive it is quite a feat and personal accomplishment for some here, to put your thumb on a button,lever and push it down. " hey look maw,watch what happens when i push down on that there button" all in good fun here, i do definately like automatic oilers. allthough on stihls, they need a little help to put enough oil on the b/c. i wonder if the new 661's will have a manual oiler? nah, they would never sell, because no-one could figure out how to run them.