KenJax Tree
Terraphobic
A video tape would certainly cut down on the investigation time.
I guess we could show our kinder, gentler side, and when they say they have a buddy's 30' extension ladder and a wild thing, and are planning on topping their 80' pine, just encourage them, help them build up their confidence, and then encourage them to have their loved ones videotape it.
I wonder who can handle a 40' pole pruner and extensions? With a Big Bite?
Interesting,,,would you like some tea? Cool.
Jeff
There is another side to the coin of one and two. Most of these posters don't introduce themselves or explain their situation, don't seem to have any respect for the industry as a whole, (It's just a chainsaw and a tree, how hard can it be? I've rock climbed and I know knots, how hard can it be?), and are generally just looking for permission, not advice. Honestly, The tree industry has been my chosen profession for twenty years now, and I'm still learning, and always will be. I consider it to be a skilled trade, no different than plumbing, or firefighting, or being an emt. And if I jumped on one of their forums and said "hey, I do trees full time, and want to be a plumber, or firefighter, or emt, but I don't want to quit my day job, and I'm not willing to start at the bottom, can ya give me a few pointers, what do you think their response would be?"
Honestly there are many, MANY thing in my line of work that I have never seen and only read about in a book that I will have to treat. Many of which are life threatening, but of course not to me. (yes, I have a synical view on the world).
I do believe this thread took a turn for the worst when I open my mouth (fingers?). Jolly, I understand where you are coming from, honestly. That is why I am here to learn as much as can to see if it is some viable, worth while, and something I want to take on. Honestly there are many, MANY thing in my line of work that I have never seen and only read about in a book that I will have to treat. Many of which are life threatening, but of course not to me. (yes, I have a synical view on the world). And just to be clear I am not comparing the two professions that would be similar to comparing apples and lettuce. (I don't feel apples to oranges is close enough)
All you need to know (and need to know very, very well) what you are expected to know to do to keep the patient alive till he/she can receive definitive care in a hospital. Deviate from that scope of practice and face the consequences.
And yeah, I stayed in a Holliday Inn Express once too...
All you need to know (and need to know very, very well) what you are expected to know to do to keep the patient alive till he/she can receive definitive care in a hospital. Deviate from that scope of practice and face the consequences.
And yeah, I stayed in a Holliday Inn Express once too...
First, do no harm.
I guess I failed to make my original point adequately. This thread seems to have evolved into an evaluation of the newbies motives rather than our responses to them. There is an old saying that I think fits here: "You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar". Why are you guys reading in this forum? It does not seem to me that many of the posted "answers" here are from seasoned professionals that want to encourage newcomers to join up and participate more often.
My point was that we don't need to be repressive, negative, discouraging, nor rude. A careful evaluation of the average thread in Arb-101 reveals that there are not too many real questions anymore from inexperienced arborists. I believe that is because many of the newbies come to this forum, they get dumped on, and then they don't come back too often.
If you think that they should just man-up and get used to the rough world of real arborists, then we might as well close Arb-101 and advise them to come on up to professional climbers forum and prepare to join the latest cat-fight. Or maybe just get out and step down to homeowner helper forum, where all "how to" advice will be expected to be "hire a professional".
First, do no harm.
The newbies motives and attitude does determine how we respond to the question. If there are not too many real questions being asked in this forum then why do they deserve a real answer? I don't feel we should close this forum nor do I think we should try and dictate our responses to newbies. The ones who want to learn something will stick around.
Alot of these new guys dont want to do the research themselves, read a book or work for someone who knows
6 months later, you're thinking about letting the first kid start getting up in a tree or two bacause he's been practicing his knots at home, and asked to borrow your copy of TCC. The second kid you can't even remember his name, cause he got pissed and quit when you kept trying to show him how to keep the chain out of the dirt.
I guess we could show our kinder, gentler side, and when they say they have a buddy's 30' extension ladder and a wild thing, and are planning on topping their 80' pine, just encourage them, help them build up their confidence, and then encourage them to have their loved ones videotape it.
All right, ya passed the first test, ya came back, lol. If you are serious about this, step one is to read every post on AS. Just kidding, but not really. My point is the archives are a wealth of knowledge, and reading through old threads will answer questions you haven't even thought to ask. Step two is to get a short length of rope and start practicing the top ten knots 'til you can tie them behind your back. I won't tell you what they are, you'll find them in the threads. Step three is to start looking at the trees around you. Really start looking at them. Start noticing their structure, their individual characteristics, their growth patterns. Start seeing how many you can identify, and then work on identifying the ones you don't recognize. Then start noticing the overall health of the tree. Are the leaves full and green? Are there dead limbs, and if so where in the canopy? Any signs of insect damage? If so, what type? Any browning or wilting? You get the picture. Climbing is a means to an end. Tree care is the real goal. So if you want to become a tree man, we'll support ya a hundred percent. If ya just get off on climbing and chainsaws, well, we'll try and keep ya safe. Jeff
Man I need a real keyboard. Responding to these posts on my iPad is brutal.
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