:agree2:I pay a little better so I get a little better. Only fired 5 or 6 guys in the past 22 years. And my retention is good. I always do something for everybody at Xmas and I have even co-signed a car note or two. It cost to keep the good ones.
:agree2:I pay a little better so I get a little better. Only fired 5 or 6 guys in the past 22 years. And my retention is good. I always do something for everybody at Xmas and I have even co-signed a car note or two. It cost to keep the good ones.
we are seen as semi skilled labor because many enter this trade with a pickup truck & no biz sense!! well its gonna get worse!!
as far as kids being hired & drag brush for $8 hr & they should get more or pay em more scenario...... what a bunch of BS, my daughters in college & does all her own stuff just like the poster said....however She will work for $8 hr money is money & this attitude of start me at the top & keep moving me up higher is crazy!!
what happened to Prove yourself, earn it & the start out at the bottom & work your way up attitude?? they dont think that way today, it me,me,me & how much $$ I can make, wheres the benefits & how about a company vehicle, etc.. what they dont realize is right now they have loyalty to no one but their pocketbook & themselves.......somewhere down the road they`re gonna need a job/reference & they`ll see where that attitude gets em!!!
LXT.............
The tree company I worked for this past summer went through 3 or 4 people in just a few months.
The big corporations (in general) have not demonstrated a lot of loyalty to their people which has led to a great deal of cynicism among the lower level employees.
I think it is mostly that people do not understand the physical nature of the job, and/or really don not know what they want to do. Seems like very few people who start in the trade stick with it for a very long time.
tree mds, I dont really find firing people that enjoyable unless they`re just a plain loser from the get go!!
the kid has ambition a smart mouth and very little commonsense as far as life, work, business, taxes, & just plain making a living are concerned!!
I could fire him...Yep & then hire another one worse, better or the same! as far as showing up, doing what he`s told (only when told) goes he does so so! he is just always thinking about how much less he could do to make more!! I told him you are in the wrong line of work....you need to be a politician!
I kinda do things from "feel" he`s not a total waste, but is he able to come around? not meaning to do everything the way I want it done but just in general work ethic... no one but me does it the way I want it done & even then Ill learn I should of done it differently from time to time!!
Ill see & feel it out, better to give someone a chance & watch them better themselves than to fire them when maybe they were just starting to come around, either way.....it will happen after the first of the year Im not gonna fire anyone this time of year!!
LXT...............
it is much harder to find a good honest fair paying employer than it is to find a good honest hard working young man. i know a fair amount of good young men including myself that just cant find and employer on the same level. stop looking for inexperienced young slaves and start paying for some good help otherwise stop & sh the f ^, go do it by yourself. look @ it like your saving money
I know it is hard to find a good worker but if you have too much of a
pattern of firing the problem could lie with your management skill!
I am not saying it did, does, just that trends are what is looked at
to determine problems and 18 workers fired is a trend toward you
possibly mismanaging authority! Sometimes we have to help a borderline
worker become productive by helping him understand we want his help
and pointing out his strong suits and explaining his poor and asking him
to get on board instead of alienating him!
Ropes? R U O K ?
In the past couple days of being laid off by the tree company that I have been working for I was thinking. I feel that one of the reason it is hard for you guys to get good help is because in our society these days there is the push for everyone to go to college. That wasn't always the case, but it is in my generation. That means that even kids who might after high school have just gone to work for a tree company have been pushed to go to college. Many of these people would be those motivated groundies who see this as the career they want and serve as great employees. They no longer are taking that avenue because everybody has to go to college. I went to college, the reason I do this is because I want to learn, but to be honest I can't afford to do it. With the high cost of college, after school it is hard for kids to take that bottom level job. I am not trying to make it seem like every jackass kid out there should be wanting higher pay just that some of us have no choice.
Disclaimer:
This is in no way intended to make it seem like all tree folk or dumb because I am sure that many of you are smarter then I am. I know that most of you have a set of skills that I don't and I am envious of that fact. I hope this does not come across wrong but I would be interested to know how many tree folks went to college. The company I worked for had both types the old timer who didn't go to college and learned it all in the field and his son who went to college for urban forestry.
I just feel that there was a change where people don't respect the manual trades anymore and that this field is losing people because of it. It is no longer acceptable just to be a hard working guy (or lady) anymore.
I am sorry that I did not express that very well, but I hope you start to understand what I am saying.
Came across Fine!! & I do agree with you, today emphasis is put on college..I know cause my Daughter is in college & I push education hard!! For girls/women its kinda different I guess, I mean how many want to do tree work?
the trades are not pushed so hard cause those of us in them see & know whats coming!! work harder for less, always givebacks to keep your job & not to mention illegals undermining the pay!!, etc.. So even we push college onto our kids not wanting them to end up like us!
in many ways its not this generations fault.....it`s the parents fault!! always wanting better for their kids..............Its gonna change soon!
LXT............
The truth is college students end up having to work if
there is no suited other white color jobs. Education has ruined the
world in my opinion for instance nuclear,bio warfare is just a matter
of time before some turban wearing radical uses a dirty bomb on our
society! If everyone would have been more like Indians we would have
been better off. I will not push anything on kids I will just share my experiance that hard work is not as fun as it looks! My grandson
wants to run my business at five I will not encourage it but if his interest
stays focused on it he will get that chance by working and learning
and then inheriting it!
Sikhs, who are Indian and live in the Punjab, wear turbans. Islamics, who I believe you are slandering, wear other forms of headdress.
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