piston/bore clearance? tolerance too much??

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Hey guys!!

I have a jonsered 670 i'm working on...

saw seized a ring with the #1 piston...dealer installed the top end not long before it failed... your THOUGHTS????

i have the orig piston that came out of it (piston 1) and another on a parts saw (piston 2)...

cyl is in good shape, and the bore is ~50.03mm

I have .020" clearance with the #1 piston and the cyl....seems like a lot?!?:help:

I put the (#1) piston in, sans ring, and it rattles around in the bore a bit more than i think it should....

piston #1 measures: 49.26mm 1/4 of the way up the skirt from bottom front to back (intake to exhaust side)
49.05mm Intake to Exhaust
49.33mm perpendicular to the ports

piston #2 measures: 49.65mm 1/4 up
49.50mm I-E
49.60mm perpendicular..

both are in good shape, with only the slightest wear marks... i'm thinking #1 is scrap, and #2 may be useable???

Thoughts??
 
Bore's aren't tapered, but the pistons are. Measure the piston at the very bottom of the skirts. .020" is WAAAY too much. Should be more like .003".

Yup, the OEM new bores I've checked have been about 0.0025" to piston skirt.

With an aftermarket forged piston 0.004-0.005" might be acceptable, but you should breakin and warm them up gently
 
Hey guys!!

I have a jonsered 670 i'm working on...

saw seized a ring with the #1 piston...dealer installed the top end not long before it failed... your THOUGHTS????

i have the orig piston that came out of it (piston 1) and another on a parts saw (piston 2)...

cyl is in good shape, and the bore is ~50.03mm

I have .020" clearance with the #1 piston and the cyl....seems like a lot?!?:help:

I put the (#1) piston in, sans ring, and it rattles around in the bore a bit more than i think it should....

piston #1 measures: 49.26mm 1/4 of the way up the skirt from bottom front to back (intake to exhaust side)
49.05mm Intake to Exhaust
49.33mm perpendicular to the ports

piston #2 measures: 49.65mm 1/4 up
49.50mm I-E
49.60mm perpendicular..

both are in good shape, with only the slightest wear marks... i'm thinking #1 is scrap, and #2 may be useable???

Thoughts??
since when do the set them up at that size unless something has changed dramatically I would say wrong piston maybe look into that.
 
Bore's aren't tapered, but the pistons are. Measure the piston at the very bottom of the skirts. .020" is WAAAY too much. Should be more like .003".

right... i know the slugs are tapered...

i almost crapped when after the ring was removed it just dropped right down the cyl FAST and would rattle a bit.
 
pics would help...

Brad,



in reply to your comment about measuring the very bottom of the skirt... YIKES!! :jawdrop: 49.13mm




picture of bore... nothing exciting there, just a slight amount of scoring. cleaned up in a min with the hone...

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piece of paper measures .011mm. folded 3 times in these 3 pics. VERY tight...could BARELY pull it out by hand...

gap:

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at the bottom of the bore in the squish zone 2 pieces fit tightly to a point where the piston would not slide out easily..

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since when do the set them up at that size unless something has changed dramatically I would say wrong piston maybe look into that.

yeah, good question.... they probably gave him a used worn out slug (maybe couldn't find the parts??:confused:) coincidentally, I may actually have two donor machines from the same shop (a buddy picks up some of his projects there...)

ya wonder why the owner of the saw didn't want to go back there... said it never ran right after they 'fixed' it. Speaking with him last night, he said he was really UNSURE if they did anything to the saw!...

i can tell ya one thing, they helped him out with giving him the opportunity of A BUNCH more power:

50mm bore, closed port = 670 top end

4.0HP vs. 4.9HP

61.5cc open port vs. 66.8cc closed port.
 
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